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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/11/2010 10:29:48 AM

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First, I should note that I tend to over tip habitually... but I do have a question no one has been able to answer for me.

The argument for not stiffing a waiter/waitress is that they work for less than minimum wage, and the tips are to make up for that. So... why exactly is what they should get/expect based on how much the food costs?

For instance, here in Wisconsin minimum wage for wait staff is 2.35. So if I go to dinner with five friends, spend an hour there, assume we're her only table, and leave a twenty dollar tip on a three hundred dollar bill... why would that be cheap? For that hour she made 22.35- which isn't bad, really.

It's not something I do, or plan to start doing... I'm just curious if there's a flaw in my line of thought.

A eensy bit deluded on the 'over tipping' if 20 bucks for five people on a 300 bill is your math. Yikes. Dude not even 10%.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/11/2010 11:24:22 AM

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The argument for not stiffing a waiter/waitress is that they work for less than minimum wage, and the tips are to make up for that. So... why exactly is what they should get/expect based on how much the food costs?

This has been answered many times. The waitstaff is taxed on their anticipated tips, based on the amount of their food sales.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/11/2010 1:22:31 PM

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The higher end restaurant you choose, the higher quality service you can expect to receive, the more you can expect to pay for that service.

You've gotta love those that expect the Morton's experience at Denny's prices.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/11/2010 5:12:43 PM

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For instance, here in Wisconsin minimum wage for wait staff is 2.35. So if I go to dinner with five friends, spend an hour there, assume we're her only table, and leave a twenty dollar tip on a three hundred dollar bill... why would that be cheap? For that hour she made 22.35- which isn't bad, really.

It's not something I do, or plan to start doing... I'm just curious if there's a flaw in my line of thought.

And for that hour a $300 food bill is going to run her tax up about $24. That's not even break even for her.. it's actually costing her money to serve you. For her to make 22.35 for an hour, you 5 would need to leave her a tip of about $10.00 each and even that's pretty cheap wages to have someone waiting on you hand and foot who's not even wearing your collar.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/11/2010 9:53:58 PM

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You've gotta love those that expect the Morton's experience at Denny's prices.

Hey! Those Grand Slam breakfasts ain't cheap, yanno!

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 5:51:29 AM

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The IRS requires a server to declare at least 8% of their sales as tips. Thats mandatory. If a server does not, they can expect an audit.

Out of my tips, i tip out the runners/bussers 10% of my tips. The bartender 7% (we have more of a service bar with limited seating), The hostess gets 2%, Sushi gets 2% of the sushi sales.

On 300 dollars, i will be expected to declare 24 for the IRS. The example was given i was left 20 dollars. Out of that, at least 20% is tipped out. 4 dollars leaves before i even clock out.

Almost everything in a restaurant is based upon sales. Staffing, food supply, alcohol. This is an IRS code for servers. The IRS bases what i should make based upon sales.

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For instance, here in Wisconsin minimum wage for wait staff is 2.35. So if I go to dinner with five friends, spend an hour there, assume we're her only table, and leave a twenty dollar tip on a three hundred dollar bill... why would that be cheap? For that hour she made 22.35- which isn't bad, really.

In my restaurant, my tip would have been 54. 18% gratuity on all parties 6 or more.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 12:09:54 PM

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The higher end restaurant you choose, the higher quality service you can expect to receive, the more you can expect to pay for that service.

You've gotta love those that expect the Morton's experience at Denny's prices.

~porcelaine

But as a server with pride in your work should you not give your customer Morton's service? I've had great service at Denny's worthy of any high class restaurant. I appreciate that service and show it in my tip.

I expect everyone to take pride in their work if they want to succeed. I tip my refuse collector for the great service he gives me. The kind of person I respect, like him, is one that would do the same quality work even if they received no tip.

I don’t care what your profession there is nothing better than a personal feeling of a job well done. Only those with pride in their work will experience this feeling.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 12:19:18 PM

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But as a server with pride in your work should you not give your customer Morton's service? I've had great service at Denny's worthy of any high class restaurant. I appreciate that service and show it in my tip.

I have worked for both high end and medium end dinner houses. I did my best in both. It wasn't until I went to a higher end place where I received the training I needed, to provide impeccable service - learning lots of tips and tricks and behavioral skills to keep things as close to perfect as possible.

I do not expect a Denny's food server to have this kind of training. And no, I don't expect everyone in the world to take pride in their jobs. That would surely wind up an unmet expectation. I figure people do the best they can, depending on whatever their circumstances are, and it's not my place to penalize them.

That said, I have experienced atrocious service before, at a medium end family restaurant, with a party of 8 guests. I mean truly horrible service. Without making a scene, I spoke privately to the manager about it. She comped the bill and gave me a gift certificate so that I might try them again, in the future, along with a big apology and a pie to take home. It was just a much less dramatic way of dealing with it, in my opinion, than to be rude and insulting.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 4:52:20 PM

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To me the "best you can" and "taking pride" in your work are pretty much the same. I think MOST people do both if they work in a happy environment... I have faith in people and their desire to think well of themselves. Of course there are always a few lazy "ME" always ME" me people…but without them we would not know what good service was.

The above is no argument just an observation.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 5:23:01 PM

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I don’t care what your profession there is nothing better than a personal feeling of a job well done. Only those with pride in their work will experience this feeling.

I wonder about the young server your mother took issue with, maybe she was too overwhelmed to "take pride" in her job. Maybe she was in over her head. I had serving jobs that every day I felt that way, and they were not the higher class joints that caused this feeling, it was the less classy joints that did not have enough servers for the business they had.

My mom was a server for a couple of decades, and I can tell you this, she would never have treated another server the way your mom treated that gal. You and your mom have no idea what was going on in that person's life. Maybe her kid was sick, maybe her husband beat her up the night before, it is best to remember that when you are dealing with others that their world maybe significantly upside down and perhaps you caught them on a bad day. That is the kinda thing my mother taught mne

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 5:53:37 PM

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Thank you juliaoceania for a civilized criticism this I can address and understand your point.

Remember we understood she was busy and were still going to give her a 15% tip. The service was not the point it was not returning the change… Even that could have been a mistake and we would have still left the tip…but slapping the money on the table without a word was not acceptable to me… how about yourself?

I go to a restaurant to relax and I don’t expect to psychoanalyze the mood of a server. Many times I’ve had a bad day but I always did my job and I never purposely insulted anyone. Slapping the money in front of my mothers face without a word of apology…loud enough that others around us stopped eating to watch…and giving us a dirty look was uncalled for.

We were not disrespectful…we only asked the supervisor to find her and send her to our table. We did not make a scene… if she had said oh I am sorry I got busy and forgot we would have had a laugh over it left the tip and left gracefully.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:08:35 PM

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You complained to her boss in her mind. You do not know, her boss maybe a real asshole. Her boss may have told her that she was on thin ice. She may have gotten fired for your not getting your change back.... and that is not all that hard for me to understand, having worked for one too many assholes in that industry.

My first job in a restaurant was as a busser dishwasher. I was 16. My boss would follow me around in front of customers and ride my ass in front of them. I did not know this was unusual or wrong (it was my first gig). Years later one of the customers told me (I grew up in a really small town) that he witnessed this and he never went back to that restaurant.

Working with the public is hard. It is hard to take it from every end. I am genuinely surprised your mother, an experienced server, might not understand that some people just can't do it. I have taken shit off cooks, managers, and customers, and I had an extremely passive personality when I was younger (doormat almost). You have to have a thick skin. I may judge my service as poor. I may leave a lower tip because I had poor service, and you are right, the one thing the server can control is their attitude... but to be intentionally catty to someone when I do not know jack about what is going on behind the scenes, after I reported them to their manager... and you were right to do so, but piling on to whatever else she was going to suffer (up to and including the loss of her job)... dude, that just isn't my way...

And yes, I think handing a server two pennies for a tip is a deeply assholish thing to do. It is the worst of insults a patron can give a server, and after complaining about her, it was not cool.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:16:39 PM

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I understand all you say but the bottom line would YOU have let her slap the table with the money with a fuck you look and still given her a tip? I think not.

There is no excuse for this... bad boss or no...perhaps she needed to be fired. There was no need to embarrass my mother over her mistake… I don’t care what her reasons were…none were in my control or my fault.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:22:41 PM

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There is no excuse for handing her two pennies either... your mother is no better than the server who got huffy...

And guess what? I would have tipped her anyways. I have never stiffed a server in my life. I may have left her a good tip just as a way of showing her something,... that I was a civilized person even though she had been a bitch. I bet it would have made more of an impact than the shit your mom did, which just justified every thought she had about you (complaining to her boss, etc.,)

I do not agree with calling your mother names, like that one person did, but at the same time you describing your mother as this uber experienced server and then tell a story in which she left the server two pennies and then went on to tell her she wasn't worth even that... well I can't imagine an experienced server reacting that way

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:29:37 PM

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Actually her mother had every right to do what she did. The waitress caught an attitude and was a little bitch - it wasn't like they sent her superior after her a minute after she took the money, they waited and then tried to get her attention, when that failed they asked someone to get her. She stalked over, slammed the money down and flounced off without a word. Butch's mom left 2 pennies as a tip due to that last issue. The waitress decided to make a spectacle by running after Butch's mother when they were leaving. THAT is when Butch's mother said something to the waitress, otherwise Butch's mother left the two pennys and was leaving. It was the WAITRESS who made the confrontation and her mother said that to her when the waitress THREW the two penny's at Butch's mother.

Butch, that is how i read what you wrote.

Personally, i hope the waitress was fired because i know i would have been if i remotely ever treated a client in that manner.

I don't know why people believe wait staff somehow need to be catered too, we all have life issues and people we have to deal with and stressful work and a lot of work to do, however, unlike wait staff it seems, i for one am not allowed to take any of that out on our clients.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:33:35 PM

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Listening to all the X servers and their comments reminded me that my mother many years ago was also a server. She is hell on wheels about service always comparing how she used to do it.

One day I took my mother out to dinner. The service was terrible but it was crowded so we were still going to leave a 15% tip. When it came time to pay the bill it came to $32 or so. I gave the waitress two twenties and we waited for our change… It never came and we could not get her attention.

Finally we got the supervisor to chase her down and she stomped to our table and slapped down the change without saying a word. My mother silently picked up the change… reached into her purse and took out 2 pennies and placed them on the table.

As we were walking through the restaurant to the door the waitress ran up to my mom and said” here take your two cents.” My mother smiled, took the 2 pennies, and in a strong voice said” you’re right you aren’t worth two cents now get out of my way”.

I love her.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:36:46 PM

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Actually her mother had every right to do what she did. The waitress caught an attitude and was a little bitc

This is something I would completely expect from you, your as catty and petty as the day is long... you never miss an opportunity to be condescending, high horsed, or full of your own self righteousness.

I can totally see you as the type of person that would go out of your way to be a complete bitch to someone after getting them into trouble with their boss... Go You!

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:39:36 PM

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I don't know why people believe wait staff somehow need to be catered too, we all have life issues and people we have to deal with and stressful work and a lot of work to do, however, unlike wait staff it seems, i for one am not allowed to take any of that out on our clients.

This struck me somehow. I don't think anyone is suggesting catering to anyone here. I myself just prefer to behave in a dignified manner. I find not tipping at all to be a simple refusal to pay for service (or lack thereof). I find leaving just a few pennies as a way to say "fuck you." If given the choice, I'd choose the former.

I also can't see myself hoping for someone to get fired, rather; I'd hope they were able to get their act together.

I guess I just don't have ill intentions toward others - at least not for something like poor service. I have had to experience some pretty life altering things to get to the point of wishing ill intentions.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:40:25 PM

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There you go...you think you are a judge of character and the situation without experiencing it...so be it then.

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RE: How much do you tip your waitress? - 6/12/2010 6:41:21 PM

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Tazz,

cant the govt solve this problem?

it sounds like the govt is part of the problem.

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