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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 1:13:48 PM   
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The Torah, Bible and Koran (Qur'an), the holy scriptures attributed to God, and the worship of the deity, what exactly were they meant to be ?

Looking at contemporary examples of the prophet scam might give you some insight.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 1:15:48 PM   
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Okay, accepting that. Does not god instruct Josua to kill all the male inhabitants of Jericho and rape the maidens and doesn't Lot offer his daughters up to strangers passing through? And elsewhere aren't witches to be stoned to death?

I know I am being selective but you asked in the broadest of terms.

Are these then manuals of moral guidance? I would hope not.


You stole my post. I was about to say, that if you are looking for moral guidance don't use the old testament.
I always thought it funny how God would tell the Israelites to invade a country that was not bothering them, pillage their land, and kill everyone except the virgin women because they could be kept as sex slaves.

Wait a minute......Sex slaves huh?....... on the on other hand maybe it would be a good manual for me

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 2:44:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forgive me if this is to simplistic but aren`t the Old Testament and the Torah one and the same?

If it hasn`t been pointed out,Islam,Judaism and Christianity all worship and pray to the same God.

A point that`s missed a lot it seems.


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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 2:46:08 PM   
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There's a lot more of the Torah than there is of the old testament, and some parts of it (Genesis in particular) have been quite heavily rewritten.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 2:48:21 PM   
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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 2:56:29 PM   
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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 3:10:02 PM   
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If it hasn`t been pointed out,Islam,Judaism and Christianity all worship and pray to the same God.



Untrue. Unless you can point out where the Islamic god has sent his son to be crucified on the cross etc, like the Christian God has. ;)

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 3:49:59 PM   
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Okay, accepting that. Does not god instruct Josua to kill all the male inhabitants of Jericho and rape the maidens and doesn't Lot offer his daughters up to strangers passing through? And elsewhere aren't witches to be stoned to death?

I know I am being selective but you asked in the broadest of terms.

Are these then manuals of moral guidance? I would hope not.


You stole my post. I was about to say, that if you are looking for moral guidance don't use the old testament.
I always thought it funny how God would tell the Israelites to invade a country that was not bothering them, pillage their land, and kill everyone except the virgin women because they could be kept as sex slaves.

Wait a minute......Sex slaves huh?....... on the on other hand maybe it would be a good manual for me


Ohhhh right! Like that never occurred to you before, LadyC!! You really need a manual?

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 3:52:45 PM   
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Ohhhh right! Like that never occurred to you before, LadyC!! You really need a manual?


Hehe I was so thinking the same thing, though you beat me to putting words to it. ;)

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 4:46:37 PM   
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[Ohhhh right! Like that never occurred to you before, LadyC!! You really need a manual?


Who me? .......I'm a good girl................my slaves say DAMN good!

back on topic:

I think all 3 books could be used as moral guidance if they were not so bogged down with religious dogma. The problem with religions is that most of them have an all or nothing clause. Nowadays more and more people are choosing the nothing.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 5:21:06 PM   
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[Ohhhh right! Like that never occurred to you before, LadyC!! You really need a manual?


Sounds like further proof you don't need the manual, to me. ;)

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 5:37:45 PM   
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Forgive me if this is to simplistic but aren`t the Old Testament and the Torah one and the same?


The Torah comprises the first five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. They're sometimes called the Books of Moses.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 5:39:09 PM   
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Its threads like these that make me realize how little many people understand about religions.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 5:42:27 PM   
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Forgive me if this is to simplistic but aren`t the Old Testament and the Torah one and the same?


The Torah comprises the first five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. They're sometimes called the Books of Moses.


However, the Torah also contains a tremendous amount of commentary.  And modern day rabbis discuss the OT as well as the commentary.  Note that the discussion involves a lot more discussion with the congregants than a traditional Catholic mass (I cannot address other services because I'm not versed in them).


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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 5:44:14 PM   
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However, the Torah also contains a tremendous amount of commentary.


Is that the Torah or the Talmud?

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 5:47:21 PM   
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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 5:58:53 PM   
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elsewhere aren't witches to be stoned to death?

I have been told - presumably on these forums - that the original text read "poisoners of wells" and that due to Greek and later English translation errors it was replaced by "witches".

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 6:46:03 PM   
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Blindmen_and_the_Elephant

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 7:37:48 PM   
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That's a good one, and very true


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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/7/2010 7:47:05 PM   
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In part, a legal and ethical code to govern a society.




I would have said 'control' instead of 'govern,' but otherwise, perfect.


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