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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 11:18:52 AM

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I have often wondered this myself. Whether or not there is a true difference between praying and casting a spell. They are both attempts to influence a natural outcome by spiritual means.

It does not matter. The pagan god of the Jews was murdered many centuries before Jesus and Saint Paul and when such a ruling pagan god is murdered or otherwise dethroned, all his edicts become null and void. He was the ruling pagan god of his time, not of any later times.

How is that relevant to what I aked about the difference between prayer and casting a spell?

Im curious. Who is supposedly this pagan god of the jews? I have yet to see a name attached.

As far as the difference between praying and casting a spell. To me, its all political. The heads of churches (men and sometimes women) wanted to keep political power and did so under the guise of religion. Divide and conquer was the moto. Instill fear in beliefs other than the churches and you can control the uneducated masses.

There is no difference between praying to god and casting a spell, even the intent.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 12:35:22 PM

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Im curious. Who is supposedly this pagan god of the jews? I have yet to see a name attached.

I wondered that too, but didn't want to get too much off topic. I tried looking it up and I couldn't find any references to it.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 12:40:04 PM

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I found this:
http://www.beyondweird.com/Wicca/define.html
"HEBREW: Strong's Exhaustive Concordance shows seven references to the
words "witch," "witchcraft," and "witchcrafts." It identifies three
words as receiving that translation.

Two of them are the same root word: kashaph and kesheph. Strong's
observes that the proper translation for kashaph is "to whisper" as in
to whisper or mutter a spell. If they are correct, then perhaps the
best possible modern translations would be "enchanter" and
"enchantments" (from "chant"). In this context, Exodus 22:18 would
read, "Thou shalt not permit an enchanter to live."

The remaining word is used only once, and that is qecem, which Strong's
identifies as derived from qacem, which means to determine by drawing
lots. They give the translation, based on this, as being "divination"
as in to read random elements such as tarot cards. By this context, I
Samuel 15:23 would read, "For rebellion is as the sin of divination."
GREEK: According to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, the word "witch"
does not appear in the KJV New Testament; the word "witchcraft" appears
once in Galations 5:20. In that verse the Greek given is indeed the
much-mistranslated word pharmakeia. Strong's gives its derivation as
being from pharmakeus, which means potion."

That is really interesting. Thank you, eyesopened.

But am I missing something? I do not see any reference to well-poisoner in that.

What do you conclude?

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 12:41:16 PM

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Im curious. Who is supposedly this pagan god of the jews? I have yet to see a name attached.

I wondered that too, but didn't want to get too much off topic. I tried looking it up and I couldn't find any references to it.

You need to gaze deeply into Rule's mind. He has deduced it all with his brilliance

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 3:47:35 PM

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There were lots of articles that said the "poisoner of wells" translation is more urban legend than fact. I tried to find the most factual reference in the limited time I had available.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 3:51:25 PM

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The Torah, Bible and Koran (Qur'an), the holy scriptures attributed to God, and the worship of the deity, what exactly were they meant to be ?

It is what it is.....or, they are what they are, if you prefer.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 4:57:50 PM

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As far as a "way to live" guide that is as unbiased as possible- i recommend the book of proverbs.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 8:21:44 PM

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The pagan god of the Jews was murdered many centuries before Jesus and Saint Paul and when such a ruling pagan god is murdered or otherwise dethroned, all his edicts become null and void. He was the ruling pagan god of his time, not of any later times.

Damn, and here all we silly Jews have been still worshipping him.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 8:25:30 PM

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dammit DS. WHO is the pagan god of the jews??? i hate not knowing these kinds of things!

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/8/2010 10:25:31 PM

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dammit DS. WHO is the pagan god of the jews??? i hate not knowing these kinds of things!

Beats the heck outta me. I've been Jewish for 54 years and never knew He was pagan. Shows how much I know.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/9/2010 2:24:04 AM

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Pretty much what Master said too.

The plot thickens.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/9/2010 3:08:39 PM

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Damn, and here all we silly Jews have been still worshipping him.

Abrahamic Jews are not so much silly but rather stubborn and lacking in Grace and culturally and sociologically and evolutionarily bound by the horrific consequences of the practice of circumcision. It is really stomach-turningly sad. As is their opposition to the Divine that they falsely and sanctimoniously profess to worship. All because their last pagan god lied to them; I know why he lied and the reason is admirable, but a lie begets ugly wrongness.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/9/2010 3:20:55 PM

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You have really got to get past this cock fetish of yours.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/9/2010 5:30:21 PM

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I quite like the Books of Poetry; Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiates, Song of Solomon. "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."

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As far as a "way to live" guide that is as unbiased as possible- i recommend the book of proverbs.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/9/2010 5:48:54 PM

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You have really got to get past this cock fetish of yours.

And the Jew fetish as well. Hard for me to follow because all his terms are different than the ones that I and everyone else uses.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/9/2010 5:54:29 PM

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I quite like the Books of Poetry; Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiates, Song of Solomon. "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."

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As far as a "way to live" guide that is as unbiased as possible- i recommend the book of proverbs.

The Psalms rock! I'm constantly amazed at how the writer(s) can capture what I'm feeling centuries later.

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/9/2010 5:58:25 PM

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Abrahamic Jews are not so much silly but rather stubborn and lacking in Grace and culturally and sociologically and evolutionarily bound by the horrific consequences of the practice of circumcision. It is really stomach-turningly sad. As is their opposition to the Divine that they falsely and sanctimoniously profess to worship. All because their last pagan god lied to them; I know why he lied and the reason is admirable, but a lie begets ugly wrongness.

No wonder the Jews dropped him................that's a long ass name for a god. How the hell do you call on all that in a prayer?

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/10/2010 3:09:37 AM

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Who was Amen then, you know the thing both Muslim and Christian, (don't know about Jewish) say at the end of prayers and stuff ?

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/10/2010 3:17:08 AM

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Who was Amen then

My exhaustive 3 second wiki search leads me to believe that it's a declaration of affirmation not a personage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen

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RE: The Torah, Bible, Koran ? - 6/10/2010 5:06:18 AM

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Who was Amen then, you know the thing both Muslim and Christian, (don't know about Jewish) say at the end of prayers and stuff ?

In Christianity Amen means "truth". It is used to make a declaration that you stand in agreement with what is being said. Most religions that use it use it in pretty much the same way. But none use it as a name referring to God

So Amen was originally the name of a Pagan god, who was considered a form of God the Creator. But he was certainly not considered God, or Christ. Interestingly, most Pagans today tend not to use the word, preferring instead to say "So mote it be", an old Anglo-Saxon term. Perhaps they see the word Amen in the Bible and the Tanakh and don't want to be associated with Christianity or the like. Indeed, in the Bible we see Jesus Christ referred to as "The Amen". Christ is God's Amen to all that he has spoken. Thereby the name used for an old Egyptian god is replaced by the same name used for Christ.

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