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elsewhere aren't witches to be stoned to death?

I have been told - presumably on these forums - that the original text read "poisoners of wells" and that due to Greek and later English translation errors it was replaced by "witches".

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If it hasn`t been pointed out,Islam,Judaism and Christianity all worship and pray to the same God.

Untrue. Unless you can point out where the Islamic god has sent his son to be crucified on the cross etc, like the Christian God has. ;)

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[Ohhhh right! Like that never occurred to you before, LadyC!! You really need a manual?

Who me? .......I'm a good girl................my slaves say DAMN good!

back on topic:

I think all 3 books could be used as moral guidance if they were not so bogged down with religious dogma. The problem with religions is that most of them have an all or nothing clause. Nowadays more and more people are choosing the nothing.

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If it hasn`t been pointed out,Islam,Judaism and Christianity all worship and pray to the same God.

Untrue. Unless you can point out where the Islamic god has sent his son to be crucified on the cross etc, like the Christian God has. ;)

Jesus in Islam
From Wikipedia

In Islam, Jesus (Arabic: عيسى‎ `Īsā) is considered a prophet Messenger of God who had been sent to guide the People of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl (gospel).[1] The Qur'an, believed by Muslims to be God's final revelation, mentions Jesus 25 times.[2] It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God (Arabic: Allah). To aid him in his quest, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles, all by the permission of God. According to Islamic texts, Jesus was neither killed nor crucified, but rather he was raised alive up to heaven.[3] The Qur’an narrates that he will return to Earth near the day of judgment to restore justice and defeat al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl (lit. "the false messiah", also known as the Antichrist).[4][5] Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered to have been a Muslim, as he preached for people to adopt the straight path in submission to God's will. Islam rejects that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God, stating that he was a mortal man who, like other prophets, had been divinely chosen to spread God's message. Islamic texts forbid the association of partners with God (shirk), emphasizing the notion of God's divine oneness (tawhīd). Numerous titles are given to Jesus in the Qur'an, such as al-Masīḥ ("the messiah; the anointed one" i.e. by means of blessings), although it does not correspond with the meaning accrued in Christian belief. Jesus is seen in Islam as a precursor to Muhammad, and is believed by Muslims to have foretold the latter's coming.[5][6]

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I dunno, LadyC. Once you get past "love one another" and "do unto others as you would have them do onto you" what more do you need? Surely not endless volumes of rules and prohibitions and dietary restrictions and parables and miracles and admonishments. Blah!

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YES I know I'm going to hell. I'm comfortable with it.

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elsewhere aren't witches to be stoned to death?

I have been told - presumably on these forums - that the original text read "poisoners of wells" and that due to Greek and later English translation errors it was replaced by "witches".

I remember that claim as well. I wonder if anyone can document it or supply the pertinent words that might show the probability of error.

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I was asking the question in the hope that someone could tell me if they were in fact designed to be a manual for moral guidance, you know the stuff if taken on board might lead one to be the best person they can be for themselves, others and the enviroment.

Love your neighbor as you love yourself.......start there and I think it is something that can be used in daily life and become the person you should be.

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I was asking the question in the hope that someone could tell me if they were in fact designed to be a manual for moral guidance, you know the stuff if taken on board might lead one to be the best person they can be for themselves, others and the enviroment.

Love your neighbor as you love yourself.......start there and I think it is something that can be used in daily life and become the person you should be.

So basically that is saying how you treat others depends on how you treat yourself. If so, if you treat yourself with disrespect etc.

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Islam rejects that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God, stating that he was a mortal man

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If someone now were to pull a Muhammed, borrow some scripture, and invent a whole new religion from it (something like the Phelps family practically does IMO), I wouldn't consider that "god" to be the same as the Christian God either.

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If someone now were to pull a Muhammed, borrow some scripture, and invent a whole new religion from it (something like the Phelps family practically does IMO), I wouldn't consider that "god" to be the same as the Christian God either.

The Mormons did exactly that.  They came up with two new books (The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price) and held them to be primary in the event of conflicts with the Bible (like the Muslims did with the Quran).

BTW, one of the reasons that Hebrew is so hard to translate is that for reasons unknown to me, the vowels are not shown!

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Thanks for proving my point.

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Two of them are the same root word: kashaph and kesheph.  Strong's
observes that the proper translation for kashaph is "to whisper" as in
to whisper or mutter a spell.  If they are correct, then perhaps the
best possible modern translations would be "enchanter" and
"enchantments" (from "chant").  In this context, Exodus 22:18 would
read, "Thou shalt not permit an enchanter to live."

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Isn't that what people who pray do: to whisper or mutter a spell?

So another, perchance more valid interpretation is: "Thou shalt not permit someone who prays to live", or even "Thou shalt not permit someone who conspires to live", or "Thou shalt not permit someone who vilifies another to live".

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I have often wondered this myself. Whether or not there is a true difference between praying and casting a spell. They are both attempts to influence a natural outcome by spiritual means.

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I have often wondered this myself. Whether or not there is a true difference between praying and casting a spell. They are both attempts to influence a natural outcome by spiritual means.

It does not matter. The pagan god of the Jews was murdered many centuries before Jesus and Saint Paul and when such a ruling pagan god is murdered or otherwise dethroned, all his edicts become null and void. He was the ruling pagan god of his time, not of any later times.