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Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 10:30:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I were Master I would demand my slave to kneel before me.
However, after that, I would order her to sit in the chair and to allow me to kneel before her.
Yes, I would kneel before her, and I would demand her to accept this gesture.
This would be my symbol of my love, devotion and respect toward her,
this would be my acknowledgment of how much I love her and how much I appreciate her love, service and obedience.
I am the Master, I am the one who decides.
So, allowing me to kneel before her, would be an explicit order for her.
By this gesture I would like to exalt her for all that she is to me, and I would demand the acceptance of this gesture.

I know, I am weird.

But, I want to ask slaves here, if your Master strictly ordered you to accept his gesture of kneeling before you, would you obey?

If you can not obey such a simple command that does not cause any damage whatsoever, how can you call yourself a submissive, or even slave?

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 10:32:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's just a symbol. It depends on what the kneeling would represent. The king may choose to kneel to his subjects, but he's still king.

Demanding acceptance of anything however is a quick way to resentment, even if they were initially inclined towards it.

Mastery isn't whipping them to the floor, it's giving a look and having them crawl to you.

As to the "if you can't do this, how can you call yourself a sub" BS- that's the equivalent of "how can you say you love me if you won't fuck me without a condom?" We all have things that are limitations to our sense of self and it's no ones business but the ones in that relationship where or how those lines are drawn. You really seem to have a problem with that basic concept.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 10:35:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are asking submissives, why didn't you put this in the "ask a sub" forum?

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 10:40:39 PM   
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The king may choose to kneel to his subjects, but he's still king.


Yes I would still be a Master, and this would be the symbol of my love, respect and devotion to my slave and to relationship, so that she knows that she is also important and that the relationship is not one-sided. It would also be acknowledgment that I am pleased with her service and that I find her worthy and valuable.


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 10:45:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

If I were Master I would demand my slave to kneel before me.
However, after that, I would order her to sit in the chair and to allow me to kneel before her.
Yes, I would kneel before her, and I would demand her to accept this gesture.
This would be my symbol of my love, devotion and respect toward her,
this would be my acknowledgment of how much I love her and how much I appreciate her love, service and obedience.
I am the Master, I am the one who decides.
So, allowing me to kneel before her, would be an explicit order for her.
By this gesture I would like to exalt her for all that she is to me, and I would demand the acceptance of this gesture.

I know, I am weird.



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If you can not obey such a simple command that does not cause any damage whatsoever, how can you call yourself a submissive, or even slave?


Easy, they aren't YOUR submissive. Women that would submit to you would laugh at me, women who desire to submit to me, wouldn't even notice you. That is how life works.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 10:54:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, such a gesture isn't that weird at all.

All the traditional societies were patriarchal. So men were heads of the household and men made decisions.

However - there were lots of rules of chivalry and by abiding to those rules men showed their respect and devotion to their ladies.
Even today, the man falls to his knees when proposing a woman.
In the past it was common for men to kiss hands of women, etc...

And all of that was possible in strictly patriarchal society.


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:00:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he wanted to kneel before me, then he could. He's the boss.

It would be a little weird, but nothing I couldn't deal with.

However I doubt he'd be inclined to do that - it's not the way he's wired.

And he doesn't "demand" anything either - he asks me or tells me, and I do it. There's no need for verbal or physical force.

Well, maybe there is a time and a place for that

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:04:04 PM   
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If he wanted to kneel before me, then he could. He's the boss.


You are such a good girl!


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:08:30 PM   
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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:12:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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The king may choose to kneel to his subjects, but he's still king.


Yes I would still be a Master, and this would be the symbol of my love, respect and devotion to my slave and to relationship, so that she knows that she is also important and that the relationship is not one-sided. It would also be acknowledgment that I am pleased with her service and that I find her worthy and valuable.



You sure have a lot of theories about this given that you choose not to venture out from behind your computer

If my dominant knelt before me it would not make him any less dominant, I think you are over-thinking things yet again and trying to create controversy with your wild ideas where there is none.  There is no one size fits all bdsm relationship


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:12:13 PM   
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I haven't been a 'girl' since I began menstruating age 11.

Do not patronise me, boy.


It was a joke. BTW, many women like being told they are younger

Did you notice the wink smiley?


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:16:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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If he wanted to kneel before me, then he could. He's the boss.


You are such a good girl!



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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:18:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do I have to repeat: It was a joke.



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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:24:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not funny, it's patronizing and presumes a relationship you don't have. Repeating it's a joke isn't what's appropriate, an apology is.

In response to your thread, men have done a whole hell of a lot of things that are weirder than kneeling. He can kneel until the end of time and it won't convey as much as displaying love, compassion and caring in our everyday life. Symbols are nothing other than symbols unless they are backed up by actions.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:28:46 PM   
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It's not funny, it's patronizing and presumes a relationship you don't have. Repeating it's a joke isn't what's appropriate, an apology is.


OK, myotherself, I am really sorry if I offended you, this wasn't my intention. I just tried to be funny. I hope you'll accept my apology.

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In response to your thread, men have done a whole hell of a lot of things that are weirder than kneeling. He can kneel until the end of time and it won't convey as much as displaying love, compassion and caring in our everyday life. Symbols are nothing other than symbols unless they are backed up by actions.


Of course the symbols would be backed up by actions.


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:40:27 PM   
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OK, myotherself, I am really sorry if I offended you, this wasn't my intention. I just tried to be funny. I hope you'll accept my apology.

Better. I think you have no idea what you really said, or why it was offensive, but good enough.


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:43:23 PM   
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OK, myotherself, I am really sorry if I offended you, this wasn't my intention. I just tried to be funny. I hope you'll accept my apology.

Better. I think you have no idea what you really said, or why it was offensive, but good enough.



What Wyld said.

And thank you for the apology.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:45:50 PM   
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What Wyld said.

And thank you for the apology.


You're welcome!

I hope we can return to the topic now.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/17/2010 11:50:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a symbol and nothing unusual or scarey - it's definately not weird.  It's all cool.  Would not bother me in the slightest.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 12:18:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

However, after that, I would order her to sit in the chair and to allow me to kneel before her.

So, allowing me to kneel before her, would be an explicit order for her.

But, I want to ask slaves here, if your Master strictly ordered you to accept his gesture of kneeling before you, would you obey?

If you can not obey such a simple command that does not cause any damage whatsoever, how can you call yourself a submissive, or even slave?


For me it would be pretty simple...
As soon as the man I'm would started asking me to allow him to do something, anything, I would loose all interest in being submissive to him.

If he wants to kneel before me, because he wants to, sure, go ahead, he can pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants without me seeing that as compromising his dominance over me.
However, asking my permission to do something like that I would consider one of those instances that would be a deal breaker which would get me out of my submissive mindset.
I do get switchy sometimes, and I have been know to be *cough* feisty.
So if a my man/Dom/Master/whatever you want to call him would ask me to allow him to kneel for me, I would denial him that permission and instead order him to turn around so I can kick his ass for ruining the moment...


< Message edited by Ishtarr -- 6/18/2010 12:21:22 AM >

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