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windchymes -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (7/1/2010 12:42:21 PM)

Also, check your local Sam's Club, Costco or BJ's, whatever you have near you.  I don't know if my information is current, but as of 3 or 4 years ago, you could use their pharmacy's cheap prices even if you weren't a member.  They just didn't advertise it.




LaTigresse -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (7/1/2010 12:47:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Health insurance. The plastic that bleeds us dry...

My Effexor has a generic version now, and I won't be able to afford the Good BCBS after this year, so I am looking for intel on the generic version. Has anyone taken it? Good, bad, indifferent?

I do 225mg of XR a day, my worry is that the XR piece will be diminished, since the half life of generics is the real issue. (Ie, the fexofenadine does not last 12 hrs let alone 24)

Also, if any of you has seeds to the Money Tree, let me know, kthx! [;)]


Lady Hib I read something just today that applies to this topic. I have no idea if indeed it will help you but damn, if it could I would be remiss in not sharing it.

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/WBL02201/Omega3-Could-Help-Beat-Major-Depression.html

Please, if you try it and it helps, let me know! I do not suffer from depression but it would be encouraging to know it helped.




PeanutTigerinBox -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (7/1/2010 1:28:02 PM)

I don't know if you could get amitriptyline prescribed in the US (here is the link)


http://www.medicines.org.uk/EMC/medicine/8062/XPIL/Amitriptyline+25mg+5ml+Oral+Solution+(Rosemont+Pharmaceuticals+Ltd)/

I am not diagnosed as having depression and am on 25mg dosis for my fibromyalgia (that I am able to sleep pain free for 6-8 hours per night) so I can't judge it in regards to depression (and wonder myself actually how people cope with taking more than my 25 - or sometimes 50 when I am impatient as I want it to work NOW and not when it decides to work - considering how 25mg already knocks me out...)

however, that's another medication used for depression over here...




thornhappy -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (7/1/2010 5:09:26 PM)

It's available over here and's also used to prevent migraine headaches.

It can knock ya dead from constipation, though (won't kill you but you wish it would!)




LafayetteLady -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (7/1/2010 10:38:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Yeah I know!! Can you believe that there is NOTHING on that list that anyone in my house takes!! I do keep checking though, because YOU NEVER KNOW!! My parents are over 65, so with the hell of medicare and their "not on the formulary" BS that their insurance company gives us, we are always on the lookout for bargains.


Have you spoken to the doctors about the possibility of changing to one of the listed medications? Most of those medications are very similar, so the change could provide something that still works. When I have not had insurance, I have told the doctors they HAD to choose something from that list if they wanted me to be able to take it.




georgeinca -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (7/2/2010 1:43:15 AM)

I'm not on Effexor, but I've been on Celexa for a number of years. Had the generic for the last few, didn't seem to make a difference to me.

BUT psychotropic meds are different for everyone. The only thing you can do is try generic Effexor and see if it works OK for you or not.

Here's hoping it does ('cause I know how expensive the non-generic meds are, especially if you don't have insurance).




PeanutTigerinBox -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (7/2/2010 7:24:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

It's available over here and's also used to prevent migraine headaches.

It can knock ya dead from constipation, though (won't kill you but you wish it would!)



lol, thankfully I dont know that effect [:D]




hsv2sub -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (9/23/2010 4:58:59 AM)

I take Effexor XR150 mg x day. I found the generics are made by the same manufacturer. I also found my co-pay is the same for brand brand or generics. The only difference in price is to my insurance company Humana. Hopefully this will change soon is it just went generic.
Now I am talking about Effexor XR and Venlafaxine HCL ER which again are made my the same company for now.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Health insurance. The plastic that bleeds us dry...

My Effexor has a generic version now, and I won't be able to afford the Good BCBS after this year, so I am looking for intel on the generic version. Has anyone taken it? Good, bad, indifferent?

I do 225mg of XR a day, my worry is that the XR piece will be diminished, since the half life of generics is the real issue. (Ie, the fexofenadine does not last 12 hrs let alone 24)

Also, if any of you has seeds to the Money Tree, let me know, kthx! [;)]




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (9/23/2010 9:32:56 AM)

I was on generic effexor for 2 yrs and it worked fine for me. But I also found I have about a 2 yr "shelf life" before the meds stop working.  So it's constantly changing.  I suffer from clinical depression, GAD, anxiety, stress and Borderline Personality Disorder along with a host of other associated disorders.  I am currently on 6 different meds, and have just found out that the mirapex counter-acts the seroquel, so now I know why I don't sleep as well as I should.  I don't trust psychiatrists as far as I can throw one, and  I couldn't pick one up if I wanted to. 

I realize that due in part to brain chemistry I'm going to be on meds for the rest of my life, but if it's going to keep me out of that deep dark hole, then so be it.  I try to educate myself as to what I'm being prescribed, but it's not always easy.  And with so many drugs available and new ones coming out everytime you turn around, it just makes it tougher.  Having to fight the medical system and the bureaucracy when you're not feeling well is no picnic.  From experience.

Chantal




lilone66 -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (10/16/2010 6:32:29 PM)

They do have a generic for it. Now its not the XR version so you may have to take it twice a day. I take it but it doesnt work as well for me as the name brand. I am not sure if its the generic. Or the fact that I have had gastric bypass. The other thing you can do is go to the Effexor web site they have a prescription program were you can get as low as 4.00. I just found it myself and I am waiting on my card. Hope this helps you. Lilone




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (10/20/2010 8:19:03 PM)

I only ever get generic medication, so I don't know if generic is better or not than non generic, but my pills thanks to my healthinsurance only cost me 1.10, and non generic would be 13 a bottle. I got the bill estimate one time, and it said with out medical insurance, the amount of mu pills would of been 4k a month.




CaptainsPet -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (10/21/2010 3:06:31 AM)

My doc gave me two weeks of Lexapro to try. Everything was great, so she writes me a script for it. I about had a heartattack when I was told it'd cost me over $200 for a month supply. Talk about taking it up the backside! These drug manufacturers are merciless bastards. By the way, they also push drugs thru the FDA any way they can. Vioxx helped kill my mother, and Merck knew how deadly it was through their own testing. They thought they could get away with it. Hit 'em in the pocketbook with a class action lawsuit. Trust no one who peddles drugs for a living




JerseyKrissi72 -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/13/2010 5:39:53 PM)

I am blessed to have health insurance...I have been on Effexor XR, Lexapro, Wellbutrin, Zoloft, Paxil..you name it lol....still depressed.......I am on generic Celexa right now and I am alright...Sometimes, I wonder if these pills aren't glorified sugar pills or something.......[8|]




Petronius -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/14/2010 9:08:45 PM)

The generic version of a drug is 100% identical, by definition.
The pill containing the generic version may not be. In other words, various forms of quality control may create problems where the amount of the generic drug in the pill isn't what is claimed and various byproducts of the production may be present.
In the early days this was more of a problem than today (think early birth control pills).
There's also another solution if you're taking a generic drug and it isn't doing what it should. Get the generic drug made by a different company.




samboct -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/15/2010 7:18:54 AM)

A few comments here-

1) Serotonin is a chemical in the brain that has a wide variety of effects. The reason it was chosen as a target was because the concentrations were high enough to measure. It's highly unlikely that getting the serotonin levels "correct" will actually cure depression- the compound just has too many effects. There's no evidence that serotonin controls only depression.

2) Pharmaceutical firms and insurance companies exploited the lack of unity and theoretical development in the psychiatric community to replace talk therapy with various pills. The idea that "bad brain chemistry" has to be treated with pills is nonsense. There are a number of brain illnesses that respond well to talk therapy without the pernicious side effects of weight gain, lack of alertness, or other organ effects. Also- fMRI studies have shown that talk therapy has the ability to alter brain chemistry- although the alteration is different from a chemical compound. If well done, talk therapy may actually provide a "cure"- rather than a temporary fix. While this would be good news for insurance companies, it's bad news for pharma. Also- insurance companies did not understand talk therapy and were not presented with good business models- so they went with the pharma option. Most insurance plans are very intrusive and offer too little coverage to really cure the disease, but YMMV.

3) Like many pharmaceutical treatments, often anti depression meds act on a symptom, rather than the root cause of the disease. The disease is smart and adaptive, and figures out a different pathway- hence the meds often become ineffective over time. There have been a number of studies that have shown that talk therapy can be more effective than meds- or that meds without talk therapy give the poorest results. Some people do respond well to a combination, but depression is an illness that we don't have good long terms chemical treatments for. I suspect that there are a lot of similarities in between cancer mechanisms and depression mechanisms- not the exact pathways of course- but the adaptive nature of the diseases.

4) I have an aversion to meds prescribed for what should be normal human behaviors. That so many people are on sleeping meds is indicative of a wide spread problem in our society- its not healthy. And people shouldn't be on sleeping meds long term- generally they lose effectiveness over time and require higher doses. Also- it can be really tough to wean yourself off of the damn things. I know this first hand.....


"The active ingredients in ALL generic drugs are IDENTICAL to the brand names. It is the inert ingredients that are changed by varying (always miniscule) amounts. Other than that, the dosing can sometimes change. By that I mean where the Brand may come in 5mg, 10mg, etc. The generic may also offer 7.5mg and 12mg."

Sorry- but this is wrong. Branded pharmaceuticals are often patented on both chemical structure and synthetic routes. Generic manufacturers often develop different synthetic routes to save money. In many cases, drugs are really mixtures- the separation of isomers is not complete although pharma manufacturers would like you to believe that there stuff is that pure and well characterized. Generics can have different ratios of various isomers as well as trace contaminants. We're not even getting into the quality control in the manufacturing process, where even the large pharma companies have had screw ups in processing where there was a failure and the correct compound was not synthesized.

Also- it's pretty unlikely that the small tweaks in things like binders, colorants, etc. really affect the absorption of a compound significantly. That can vary along with what you've eaten and your own digestive pathways- so the likelihood if a generic version doesn't work as well as the name brand is likely due to variations in the active ingredient.

Sorry to say- but using generics is something that probably has to be done on a case by case basis. Like all drugs, individuals reactions may vary. Also- physicians often only have a limited number of cases that they can refer to. If one of their patients has a bad reaction to a generic- that may warn them off, but if they don't prescribe the same drug to a lot of their patients, they're not likely to have a good understanding of the effects of the substitution. We do a terrible job of monitoring adverse drug events in this country- we rely far too heavily on clinical trials during the approval process. Once the drug has been approved, there's really not much tracking unless there's a lawsuit. Another one of the reasons our medical costs are so sky high in this country- the system does not work well. The reality is that we all need to be guinea pigs.....

Sam




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/15/2010 7:52:05 AM)

My new bottle of generic effexor is an XR! Starting in January. I will have the privilege of paying $307 for a month's supply. The "real thing" is $417. Not much of a savings.

The generic is not as good as the original for me. I am getting oddball side effects, and the release is uneven. I am not enjoying having anxiety, either--it took me a week to figure out wtf. I am thinking that I can cough up the extra for a month and compare.




samboct -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/15/2010 8:04:05 AM)

Or as a different suggestion- you might be able to find a shrink to see you at $100/session instead- same cost/month for once a week therapy- and it might be more effective in the long run.

Sam




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/15/2010 8:20:06 AM)

Sam, you do not know me or my history, so please save your armchair diagnoses for someone with an ingrown toenail.




samboct -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/15/2010 9:36:55 AM)

If you treat other people offering creative suggestions in the same fashion as you've just treated me- I wouldn't expect a lot of people to continue to offer constructive thoughts to you. I will point out that while I may not know your history- the fact that you're taking an antidepressant speaks volumes and your characterization of my comments as an armchair diagnosis is clearly incorrect. Furthermore- you don't know my history either.

Cheers,

Sam




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Generic Antidepressants (11/15/2010 11:50:20 AM)

Your posting history speaks for itself, Sam. My being on meds "speaks volumes"? Thank you for that value judgement.




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