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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/2/2010 11:21:50 PM   
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So... if I put up a Domme profile and offered to "watch" someone and such... I could actually be doing something else and make some cash? Sahweet!

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 12:24:54 AM   
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so what youre saying is that alot of the male subs are probably bottoms in orientation, if only to start with.  learning submission is a bit like learning to walk, its there but you have to have a few goes before youre up and runing.

its intereting because ive had one or two male subs write to me and ask if i can be their Mistress, i have said no and theyve continued to press me, one even suggested that i could be for the right sub, meaning him.  it seems that to start with at least it is all about them, but thats the same for alot of newbie female subs coming here with fantasies that need to be fed. 

when you put Ds into the mix only the really genuine sub male is going to put body and soul into it.  maybe there arent that many Ds male subs out there, or there are but the internal conflict wins while the BDSM needs continue to push. 

it isnt easy for any of us, but you guys seem to have it especially rough.

thank you for writing back. x

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 1:05:38 AM   
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Hi lally -
I'm going to write seriously here.
Frankly, a lot of media is made by men for men.
That's what men see.

I was recently told I'm really a passive aggressive domme and this dude would be happy to help me discover that side and serve me. (insert pffffffffft)

Men are raised a certain way in society. They are entitled to some degree in a different way than women. They act upon that. It's how they are brought up, and why would this be any different? Men look at the world differently. This is just part of that.

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 1:32:24 AM   
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Geography plays a role too. If you live near a big city--you're in business. If not, harder to connect. The value of getting out the front door is that you can see a real domme, maybe even someone who charges good money for her services--you can see lifestylers, prodomme, tops. You can see Women play and interact with others. Once you can get to meet and know a few .. you might even get a chance to play, too.

I know so many males of CM who cannot do it. They simply can't make it out the door. I feel sad for them, they really want to do it, but they can't. It pricks my curiousity. Why can't they make their own dreams come true?

Once you meet a few dominas, it's so much easier to use sites like this one or fetlife.. to connect with those who are looking for a sub. The drawback of real life is that you cannot go around asking.. do you need a sub. If you've gained some real life confidence, maybe even had a spanking or tickling from a kind domme, you can easily tell who is who. Who's real, who's not. And ise a website to connect with the ones who are actually in need of a sub.

But there's the rub--half the men who are forced here to describe themselves as slave or sub, are neither. They are bottoms. They want to play. It's ok. D/s is not for everyone. That's the biggest hassle of this site.. is putting newbies into boxes that don't fit them, letting them call themselves "subs" when they are fetishists, masochists, bottoms or just curious kinksters. It's not really fair to the fantastasists and playmates.. to force them into declaring their subness, which doesn't yet exist, if it ever will.

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 6:14:11 AM   
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pretty much. i prefer real time, be it paid or personal. there was a fellow a few weeks ago that lives just a few blocks away from me, but the moment i mentioned meeting, he just immediately turned to cam. i found it odd. he offered cash and i was bored so why not? i didnt watch him though( i honestly can stomach somebody ruining perfectly good veggies and fruit) so i just minimized his cam and was chatting with friends on facebook. easiest $300 i ever made. but men like that, i see no point in educating them. once their minds have been polluted with porn, its typically a lost cause. i had some people stop speaking to me because i said, "if you are expecting a session like the most recent FemDomme porn you may have watched, it wont happen here. of course, then i sometimes get the whole "you are a fake" thing. so that must mean porn is real. lol

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 10:43:30 AM   
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Let's get back to the topic please.

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 11:06:51 AM   
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*groan* to be treated like a human being, not a kink factory for a somebody's pleasure.

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 11:09:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2


what, if any resources are there to help a male sub understand and learn about this and why do you suppose they apparently get it so wrong much of the time.



my gosh, there are seemingly infinite numbers of ways to go about gaining an understanding!

Books, munches, meeting Ladies in real life, heck … even if one lurks the boards … there are countless ways to learn!

But the key is … the desire to learn! Rather than just trying to get one's rock's off.

At the risk of repeating what Rochsub2009 has said, because i agree with him …

Most men have (or had) fantasies of Female Domination … what different … is some of us strive to learn and grow!

Yet there is a lot of nonsense … in porn, websites and even profiles on the other side. So it is a lot to get through.

myself, i have had the joy of interacting with real Dominant Ladies … and thus … feel i have a better understanding … but it took time, effort and work … to gain a mature perspective.



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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 11:11:19 AM   
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ive great news. A Domme has promised to fly over to see me. She lives in America. She says She will come over in August. She doesnt mind that i wont be tributing Her. She ok about me serving Her for free
kevin

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 11:45:11 AM   
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Let me remind you. This is the topic. The thead is not about an ongoing dispute between certain parties that really needs to stop.


quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2

please excuse me for asking this, but its just something im a bit curious about.

after yet another thread from a newbie male sub getting frustrated in his search for a fem Domme im wondering at the disparity between what they are looking for and their understanding of the fem Domme as a woman looking for a man as a submissive partner.

what, if any resources are there to help a male sub understand and learn about this and why do you suppose they apparently get it so wrong much of the time.

thank you.



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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 11:49:19 AM   
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I'm starting to feel like this thread is the proverbial classroom where a group is trying to learn something and one student is disrupting everyone around them.

There's no doubt in My mind that the battle between the reality of Dominant woman against the illusion of porn is futile at best and impossible at worst.  The truth of the matter is that is what the audience wants.  Otherwise, the stuff wouldn't sell in the first place.  There are plenty of folks out there who are perfectly content with the fantasy.  That's not going to change.

When it comes to getting involved with something a little more real than the screen, I'm not as easy in My sympathies.  I honestly break it down into two groups.  Can't and won't.  Can't being the absolute impossibility of going out to meet real people.  Won't is the folks that I usually associate with whatever excuse they use for not doing so.  For example, if somebody tells Me they can't attend a munch because there's a two hour drive involved, that's bull.  What they are really saying is that going the distance isn't something they are willing to do.  It's not that they are not able and there really is a difference.

It occurs to Me that people should understand that the internet has only been a tool for the past couple of decades at best.  Before that, it was all face to face.  If people could do that in the decades before, they can probably still do so now.


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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 12:08:18 PM   
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Google male sub/Female Domme relationships and google high protocol or just protocol in male sub/Female Domme relationships. That would help i think
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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 2:01:00 PM   
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The big problem, as I see it, is that too any sub males try to get free sessions or phone sex. They don't realize that everything has a price. To be in a relationship with a lifestyle domme costs time and some grunt work, house cleaning, errands, etc. In order to satisfy kinky desires and then be left alone, a guy has to pay for a pro's time. Sub guys often seem to be oblivious to how inconsiderate they are being.

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 2:04:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekal

The big problem, as I see it, is that too any sub males try to get free sessions or phone sex. They don't realize that everything has a price. To be in a relationship with a lifestyle domme costs time and some grunt work, house cleaning, errands, etc. In order to satisfy kinky desires and then be left alone, a guy has to pay for a pro's time. Sub guys often seem to be oblivious to how inconsiderate they are being.


that thought I had recently when I dumped a bloke who thought I would be naive enough to take off my top on webcam to "proof to him that I am not only talk"
*snort*, if I do undress at a webcam then I make damn sure to get paid for that

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 2:45:09 PM   
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This is one of those threads that make me happy I am a hetero male dominant kinda guy.



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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 2:53:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff
This is one of those threads that make me happy I am a hetero male dominant kinda guy.

This is one of those threads that make me happy that I am a gay male dominant kinda guy. LOL!

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 2:59:33 PM   
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Well then... at least TWO of us are happy!

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 3:01:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

it doesnt cost $200 to go to the theatre or cinema PERIOD. Cinema about $15 .  Theatre around $80- $90 a bit more sometimes but not much depending on production. Give me a rational explanation why i should shell out more than $150 for one session with a Domme for one hour when I can take in a theatre production, three times as long for around half the price
kevin


Because there really are certain people on the planet who have to pay for female company?

Of course, I could be wrong about that.  However, if I'm right, I can promise that there will be at least one sadist laughing her ass off by September.



Apparently, someone on this thread, has never been to a fine dining experience, either!

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 4:16:58 PM   
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what, if any resources are there to help a male sub understand and learn about this...


kindergarten; quoted as being a place "where children learn to communicate, play, and interact with others appropriately".

quote:


and why do you suppose they apparently get it so wrong much of the time.


2% of personal body mass is deemed more influentially important than the entirety of another person.

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in short; collarme needs a not so short big flashing disclaimer on the home page that reads...

"attention: registration to this site carries no guarantees or even slight likelihood that within mere hours or days (and most likely never); other members will be stumbling about chaotically in a blind rush to tear off their panties due to reaching uncontrollable and exemplary levels of panic inducing horny rage... brought about by your heartfelt and clever line "hello Dominate Goddess/Mistress/Princess, i wish to be serve; plz sit on my face", with the possible supplement of a cock shot so awe inspiring it causes them to overlook the fact that you're more promiscuous than a fleshlight and more self centered than the sun.

in your previous dealings with women, this is akin to confessing your love to a woman you fantasized about for years in school but never previously spoke to, with the line "oh gurl, you know i love yous" then while screaming "take me baby" you rip and tear at your shirt to showoff your 60-watt tan by exposing your sagging torso and chest riddled with enough hair to make burt reynolds throw up in his mouth.

this site and the world itself is full of people like you,  the majority of which was tired of you before you ever got here, and most of the women here have dozens of freshly cut cookies just like yourself wasting their time on a daily basis already.  the scenery has changed, but the women here are still women, and unfortunately for you they know that the men are still men.

for your own safety and well-being, as well as that for others: please do not pet the animals, feed the trolls, or give money to the women who would overdose on anti-depressants if they ever even had the slimmest of grasps of their actual self worth.

if unable to procure a booty call within 30 minutes of introducing yourself to your newfound soulmate and goddess, or possibly encounter an erection lasting more than 5 minutes, you may wish to seek help. 

unfortunately the forums are not an ideal venue to seek help, not with either your need to vent about how these "stuck-up pretentious dommes" repeatedly refuse to go into heat despite your most "sincere..." efforts, or your erection.  thus your sudden epiphany that 'starting a new thread detailing your own stupidity although you will be no less blind to it' is not a good idea, and not encouraged.  using the search function instead will likely lead to people telling you to talk to the hand; they're probably right.

also... attempts to copy what was no doubt a thoughtful and articulate message to that one domme, that you were totally too good for anyway; whatever her name was, and paste it into the inbox of the next shiny new domme that you think should feel privileged to have an opportunity to do exactly what you want her to want to do to you, will likely end in a similar failure that by now you're no doubt becoming accustomed to.

if advice is sought after in how to present yourself by means of your profile, photographs, or correspondence, keep in mind that this advice is designed to help people give you the time of day, it is not simply the alternative and better method to get the 'have sex with anyone you contact in 2 days or less' results you originally were dumb enough to expect.  being a site that helps people who have different sexual preferences and lifestyles find each other doesn't mean that this is a site full of people whose lifestyle revolves around sex looking to get laid by anyone that so much as says hello to them.

being honest and realistic is a tried and true method to not arbitrarily wasting the time of both yourself and others. if you have even slight sincerity in your appeal to serve and appease someone other than yourself, then the proper course of action should be self evident and a demonstration of patience and non half-assed efforts may yet yield the results you've hoped for and are worth the time you've invested in the pursuit of them.

at collarme, our users tend to love getting surprises, as most of us are no longer surprised by the bullshit and rarely expect much good to occur.

so by all means, feel free to astonish us with something actually unexpected if you're capable."

where pornography is concerned...

i simply can't understand why people see a hot girl in a red minidress with her ass hanging out, answer the door to find the pizza delivery boy, with his dick shoved into a hole at the bottom of the box only to get immediately get thrown onto the couch to begin 6 kinds of debauchery for 10 minutes until 2 more of her roommates who were upstairs heard noises and come to investigate only to be hit with uncontrollable orgasmic onslaught and join the fray for the best hour of minimum wage this guy will ever earn; and the viewer says "that's the most stupid, fake, and totally cheesy porn i've ever seen".

but change the channel, and we have a guy wearing a leash held by one or two women in a shiny black pvc minidresses, smacking him around a little, telling him he's worthless and will live in this cage for the rest of his life; that he's useless and nobody would ever want anything to do with him, even though these two can't seem to get enough of him... telling him of how he'll never be worthy to even touch the bodies of these goddesses 2 minutes before burying their crotch into his face and deciding they'll "force him" to put his penis into several places men just, generally don't mind...

and suddenly the viewer is thinking "oh shit, this is so realistic and lifelike!"...?

what happened to the astute powers of observation that should have made apparent that the unattractive guy forced to live as a sex slave for amazons in matrix costumes is just as, if not more fake than the pizza guy getting pounced by sorority girls after they find out they accidentally ordered the meat lover's special.

i don't understand how people can really be that stupid, i just know that they are.

misconceptions are one thing, but even a little common sense will make you realize reality is a troublesome enough scenario to try and make things work without mixing fantasy on top of it.  realistically bdsm isn't much different than vanilla land is as far as how hard it can be to find someone that you're able to build and maintain a working and enjoyable relationship with, at least for those who are realistic.  the ones that try to find 'pure' fantasy while looking in 'reality' are unfortunately exercising as much futility as we are in our hopes that they'll ever stop.

and sure, its not just a 1 sided problem, but i'd bet just about anything that the sides are imbalanced.

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as for the other topic floating around in the thread; price has always been set by what people will pay for it, not what it's worth.

if the cost is worth what you stand to gain; you're in business, but what you're buying, especially in this case is easily considered more or less "priceless".

funny thing about stuff called priceless though, people still sell it for a price.

if the money isn't enough, you don't part with the goods; if the goods aren't enough, you don't part with money.  if the world had absolute price tags stamped on them by some diety, there'd be no such thing as inflation, rip-offs, deals, or differing currency.

how the hell does one appraise the worth of someone else's life anyway?  this isn't even something like 'priceless art' or 'historic relics', it's life; the most important and valuable thing mankind has ever been aware of despite their lack of care for individual lives.

i often give my time freely despite it being invaluable, but i can think of numerous things and people i wouldn't spare an hour for, even for 200 dollars.

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RE: frustrated male subs - 7/3/2010 4:29:38 PM   
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quote:

after yet another thread from a newbie male sub getting frustrated in his search for a fem Domme im wondering at the disparity between what they are looking for and their understanding of the fem Domme as a woman looking for a man as a submissive partner.

what, if any resources are there to help a male sub understand and learn about this and why do you suppose they apparently get it so wrong much of the time.


Right ... the male subs "get it so wrong", while the frustrated fem Dommes who can't find what they are looking for obviously "get it so right".

It's about time that people start to realize that the disparity works both ways. There are plenty of threads from so-called dominant females who naively expect to get what they want (a guy who is instantly subservient to them in all ways, expecting nothing in return) without having to lift a finger. And the guy is supposed to take the initiative in contacting and courting them as well.

So who's being unrealistic? How come I never see anyone writing that these "dominant" females need resources to help them understand and learn about what the males are looking for?

The truth is that neither of these groups is "wrong", yet both are going to have trouble finding what they want, because there just aren't that many of the opposite sex who fit their criteria. The real problem is that so many people think these poor guys need to be re-educated, and that will solve the problem. That's even more naive than the misguided so-called subs. Understanding what frustrated fem dommes want isn't going to change what frustrated subs want, or vice versa.

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