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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:29:34 AM   
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I never said they can't post here, clearly they can. I certainly never said a woman can't be in charge or a dominant. I'm just saying by traditional definition, a man in a master, a woman a mistress, just as for example a female who serves food in a restaurant is a waitress, a man a waiter, although now 'Server' seems to be taking over as the common expression, a genderless alternative to the gendered words.


You are trying to use a traditional definition to an alternative lifestyle. 

Since you are in CA, are you willing to walk into the next MAsT meeting closest to you to tell the Masters there that happen to be female that they are not Masters due to their gender?  Are you willing to do the same for those who identify as slaves that they can not use the term because slavery has been abolished?



Also, I will say I attend a munch fairly regularly here, I know, it's just a munch, but I have never, not once, heard a female dominant refer to herself as a master in real life.



Oh! I wanna help!

This is the link to the MAsT directory.

http://mast.net/locate-us.htm#ca

This is the link to MAsT San Fran.

http://mast.net/chapters/san_francisco.htm

This is the link to MAsT Santa Clara

http://www.mastscc.blogspot.com/

This is the link to MAsT SF Bay area

http://mast.net/chapters/greater_sf_bay_area.htm

This is the link to MAsT Sacramento

http://www.sacmast.org/main.php

This is the link to MAsT LA

http://mast.net/chapters/greater_los_angeles.htm

And, just in case you ever get down to South Florida, (Cuz our chapter is lead by a female Master....Sir Top)

http://mast.net/chapters/south_florida.htm

Tell us how it goes!


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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:30:07 AM   
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MasterFireMaaM  is real life, I know, so it just may be that you haven't run across it yet is all.


That could be, although since your using an online name for this individual that's not real life.



So since we ALL use online names for ourselves are you saying that none of us are real or that we do not live our roles in real life?

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:30:39 AM   
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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:31:08 AM   
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Direct quote from "Protocol Handbook for the Leather Slave:  Theory and Practice", by Robert J. Rubel, PhD, page 22:

Distinction between Master as an adjective and Master as a noun.

Master (adj): a Leatherman who has earned such respect  within the Community that other senior Leathermen refer to this person as a Master (regardless of gender).  This respect is generally  granted after years of selfless contribution to the Leather Community as a whole.  This is an earned title that is usually granted in a public ceremony.

Master (n):  Man or woman who seeks to exert total control over another. 


As I said earlier in the thread, I qualify.



That's great, and if this were a LEATHER site, that might matter.



The site is made up of members, some of whom belong to the Leather community.

We have Goreans here and people who maintain Victorian households.

There are many highly respected "Leather" members here.

edit: grammar


And does this 'high respect' means the leather members definitions over ride all others? I should think not.



However, since you have difficulty with my polite attempt to convey that point, let me be clear about this one: it is very rude to come in and create a disruption for apparently no other purpose than to argue for the sake of arguing.



It's very rude to curse at people for posting an opinion, which is what I've got a lot of in just one thread. I've seen almost nothing but rude posts to most of the people who post questions on here. Yet I don't see you chastising the people who are rude to others on this site, or the ones that have been rude to me, so don't talk to me about rudeness; if this and other bdsm sides are any indication, rudeness is a cornerstone of this lifestyle or at least the online portion.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:31:49 AM   
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The slavery angle is irrelevant and silly, but tell you what find the closes MAsT meeting (whatever that is) in my area, let me know where it is, and yes, I'll agrue that in person, and let you know how it turns out.



And with this.... you become the first person I have placed on Hide.

As no opinion you could ever have will ever matter to me or anyone I care to know.

Have fun with your Bullshit.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:32:14 AM   
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I just wanna be there when the twit tells a female Leather Master she isn't really and truly a Master cuz she is a woman.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:33:01 AM   
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MasterFireMaaM  is real life, I know, so it just may be that you haven't run across it yet is all.


That could be, although since your using an online name for this individual that's not real life.



So since we ALL use online names for ourselves are you saying that none of us are real or that we do not live our roles in real life?


I'm saying I find that many of the people on this site and other's don't live the life in real life.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:33:44 AM   
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I just wanna be there when the twit tells a female Leather Master she isn't really and truly a Master cuz she is a woman.


Hell I would go back to California for that!

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:35:00 AM   
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Hey Pot Meet Kettle.

Keyboard Kowboy, Cyber Samurai, Pixles on a screen, This individual makes a LOT more sense now.

LOL

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:36:03 AM   
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Boi is so helpful and giving!


I just wanna see if he'll announce which MAsT chapter he's gonna go to so that we can all find someone who will go and watch...I'll overnight popcorn for play by play recall.

boi


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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:37:42 AM   
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I'm saying I find that many of the people on this site and other's don't live the life in real life.



Oh I agree there are many who dont live the lifestyle or who aren't what they claim to be on this site. Or any other online venue weather it be fetlife, tagged, myspace, adultfriendfinder, ect. However, there are many people on this site who are who and what they claim to be.

I would also venture to say that if your argument here is any resemblence to who you are in real life that is rather sad and pathetic IMO.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:37:43 AM   
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The site is made up of members, some of whom belong to the Leather community.

We have Goreans here and people who maintain Victorian households.

There are many highly respected "Leather" members here.

edit: grammar


And does this 'high respect' means the leather members definitions over ride all others? I should think not.



However, since you have difficulty with my polite attempt to convey that point, let me be clear about this one: it is very rude to come in and create a disruption for apparently no other purpose than to argue for the sake of arguing.



It's very rude to curse at people for posting an opinion, which is what I've got a lot of in just one thread. I've seen almost nothing but rude posts to most of the people who post questions on here. So don't talk to me about rudeness; if this and other bdsm sides are any indication, rudeness is a cornerstone of this lifestyle or at least the online portion.



1) I did not curse at you...and actually many of the people who answered you here did not either.
2) You might want to consider the possibility that another common element could be responsible for your unpleasant experiences:
You do not come across in a pleasant manner.


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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:38:47 AM   
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I'm saying I find that many of the people on this site and other's don't live the life in real life.


I can more than confirm that I am.  I have no problem providing references both on a personal level as well as verify the groups I've belonged to and the presentations I've done.  The next one happens to be Bakersfield in August.  It's an oldie, but a goodie...... Fun With Wax. 


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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:41:49 AM   
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I'm looking for more female Masters as recognized by their former titles by their communities. I'll post them as I find them. :-)

http://www.masterslaveconference.org/MsC2010/pages/history-titleholders.html



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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:45:35 AM   
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MasterFireMaaM  is real life, I know, so it just may be that you haven't run across it yet is all.


That could be, although since your using an online name for this individual that's not real life.


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LadyPact:
Direct quote from "Protocol Handbook for the Leather Slave:  Theory and Practice", by Robert J. Rubel, PhD, page 22:

Distinction between Master as an adjective and Master as a noun.

Master (adj): a Leatherman who has earned such respect  within the Community that other senior Leathermen refer to this person as a Master (regardless of gender).  This respect is generally  granted after years of selfless contribution to the Leather Community as a whole.  This is an earned title that is usually granted in a public ceremony.

Master (n):  Man or woman who seeks to exert total control over another. 


As I said earlier in the thread, I qualify. 





If you read her book (MasterFireMaaMs) (its in her list in her sigline, just search out any post by her...) You will find she is a Master of the (adj) variety. (And a Doctor (PhD), I believe)

Ron(ne)

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:46:29 AM   
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I'm saying I find that many of the people on this site and other's don't live the life in real life.



How did you determine what *many* of the people on this site are or are not doing? Have you spoken to many of them? Many is a relative term in any event. What % of collarme accounts constitutes *many* to you? Maybe your *many* is equal to my *very few*. Have you questioned whether or not they live as they claim to live? Have you actually met *any* of them at all as opposed to the *many* for whom you are speaking? You have been on the site for only a few weeks, have less than a few handfuls of posts so lack the credibility or longevity on *this* site for me to take such a statement with anything but a hefty dose of salt since my experience is significantly different from your own.

Bita - Master of Slavehood and Sadism!


ETA - Just read your profile.. you are seeking someone who is not a poster, so why do you care who posts here at all!

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 11:48:32 AM   
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I'm looking for more female Masters as recognized by their former titles by their communities. I'll post them as I find them. :-)

http://www.masterslaveconference.org/MsC2010/pages/history-titleholders.html



Master Pam is the current Ms SE Olympus.  You're better at links than I am.  Would you mind pulling that up?


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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 12:02:15 PM   
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Master Pam is the current Ms SE Olympus.  You're better at links than I am.  Would you mind pulling that up?



No problem.

Master Pam, Ms SE Olympus (there is not a currently available web page for the contest)

http://loc.leatherleadership.org/llc13/speakers.html

Also:

Master Ces Williams

http://www.tribalfireokc.com/Presenters/MasterCes.html

boi

PS. Master Ces is one of the founders for Women In Leather International (http://www.wil-international.org/)...membership is $10/yr...hint hint  ;-)


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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 12:05:47 PM   
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Yourscum, what exactly is your point here?
A woman can't be a master? It's been proven she can.
Women shouldn't post here? The mods say it's perfectly fine.
What exactly are you trying to prove?


I never said they can't post here, clearly they can. I certainly never said a woman can't be in charge or a dominant. I'm just saying by traditional definition, a man in a master, a woman a mistress, just as for example a female who serves food in a restaurant is a waitress, a man a waiter, although now 'Server' seems to be taking over as the common expression, a genderless alternative to the gendered words.



I'm going to assume the issue here is literally just you having a problem with the words, which I get.  I'm a language geek.  Using your "waiter/waitress/server" analogy, let's state generally, Master is male, Mistress is female, but Master is also used as the genderless.  Like me saying I'm gay, which is typically used for the male entity.  I can call myself gay no problem, whereas a male who calls himself lesbian might get a funny look.  The English language, like most others, is set to take the male as standard, like in French and Spanish (and English if your grammar is that perfect) where the plural is masculine if even one male is included in a group.  Therefore, if nothing else, saying "Masters" is easier (especially when typing) than having to say/type Masters and Mistresses.

Not to mention the connotations of "Mistress" in the minds of many.  I imagine plenty of women cringe at the idea of being "the mistress."

I could be wrong, of course, and you could just be a troll.  But, w/e.

tj

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/13/2010 12:07:22 PM   
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I can confirm the Ron(ne) is indeed a Mistress


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