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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 2:54:51 PM

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But DIS how can females have an opinion in this case. Having an opinion in this case requires being male. It's not a matter of being excluded we simply cannot have an opinion, we aren't male nor are we Masters.

You don't have to have a penis to be a master as it has been explained not only in this thread but time and time again , nor is someone a master simply because they have a penise. Me having an opinion is not controlled by genitalia, infact not much in my life is.

*sigh* Look at the OP, I'll even post it here:

Gentlemen-
Seeing frequent posts from Dommes in this category has me wondering...how do you feel about female dominants inserting their opinions in your Ask A Master forum?

Best,
MDA

see? She says GENTLEMEN, specifically men. Honestly I don't see why it's so important, there are so many threads, why insist on posting on a subject you have no way of answering.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 2:56:43 PM

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Oh and on this one... Zephy.... is technically right.

Anyone who is NOT a Gentleman is talking out their ass cause only they can speak for how they feel about it. Anyone else is just guessing or answering a question that was not asked.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 3:00:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

*sigh* Look at the OP, I'll even post it here:

Gentlemen-
Seeing frequent posts from Dommes in this category has me wondering...how do you feel about female dominants inserting their opinions in your Ask A Master forum?

Best,
MDA

see? She says GENTLEMEN, specifically men. Honestly I don't see why it's so important, there are so many threads, why insist on posting on a subject you have no way of answering.

I could ask you why you are posting here. You don't have a penis, nor are you actually contributing to the thread you are bitching about how other posters are responding to the OP and what other posters are responding.

Now if you simply dont think my opinions or anyone elses opinion on the OP for that matter is valid or worth reading please feel free to use the hide button that is typically your best option of policing the opinions you read.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 3:02:32 PM

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MM,

--- I've already noted there's nothing wrong per se
--- with people posting anywhere (see my original
--- response before others started twisting it apart).

Thanks for the clarification.

--- Second, I'm saying it's an obvious point, isn't it?
--- If they're posting here, they see no problem with
--- posting here, or they wouldn't post here (unless
--- you're arguing that they deliberately set out to do
--- the wrong thing).

I think people, not just dommes, post where they believe their questions/thoughts make most sense. Sometimes though, and I've done this, people post where they want a particular group of peers/friends to answer. In the case of the OP, I think it's just a courteous question. I don't see a loaded question and I don't think the answer is necessarily obvious (at least not to the OP) because otherwise she would not have asked.

It would be curious to see what the response would have been if the overwhelming reply from male dominants was they'd prefer dommes not post here. I think, if this was done respectfully, dommes would respect this in the same way they ask male dominants to respect the unique space set out for female dominant related discussions. However, all of this said, I suppose the key question is: "is the Ask a Master forum male dominant centric or is it a discussion venue for all dominants?" Other forums, such as "Ask a Submissive" and "Ask a Switch" don't delineate by gender. "Ask a Mistress" is somewhat unique in that it is clearly gender centric, but still open to anyone who wishes to participate in the Femdom Lead/[any gender partner(s)] discussions.

--- Mind reading? Stampeding? It's really simple
--- observation, isn't it?

Per my comments above, the answer wasn't obvious to the OP so she asked (which I think is the courteous thing to do). I used the word "stampede" because it felt like you were stampeding over others' views. What may be obvious to you may not be obvious (or speak for) others.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 3:13:06 PM

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By many societal standards, no man who is even reading the forums on this site could be considered a gentleman. (Not MY standards, so don't holler at me about that.) So then depending on who you ask, no one could answer the question.

What I chose to speak to is the faulty premise that a woman cannot be a master, and that this subforum somehow belongs to men only. (...as in your Ask a Master Forum.) If you want to get technical about it, you know who it really belongs to? Extreme Restraints, JT's Stockroom, and all the other entities who actually pay for this site. They have been gracious enough to open the forum for the enjoyment of all CM members, with rather few restrictions on who can post where. To the rest who would like to tell me I can't answer any question I please, you aren't the boss of the boards anymore than I am. (Save for the Mods who have been entrusted to keep order.)

Go ahead. Tell me I can't answer questions here because they weren't directed at me, or that I can't refute a premise in the question that I find to be a fallacy. See how well that works out for ya.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 3:13:56 PM

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QSM,

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AQuietSimpleMan:
Oh and on this one... Zephy.... is technically right. Anyone who is NOT a Gentleman is talking out their ass cause only they can speak for how they feel about it. Anyone else is just guessing or answering a question that was not asked.

Well, okay. But, if you want to get technical, not all men are "gentleman" so that subset would need to be disqualified too.

E.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 3:29:16 PM

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Sorry, I don't get it. How can females write about how men feel about women posting on the Mistress board? Seems to me that, not being men, they couldn't possibly know.

Yet, there absolutely are men who will reply to a post in the Mistress forum which starts with the header "Ladies". May I direct you to this thread?

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2384152&key=

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 4:05:44 PM

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Sorry, I don't get it. How can females write about how men feel about women posting on the Mistress board? Seems to me that, not being men, they couldn't possibly know.

Yet, there absolutely are men who will reply to a post in the Mistress forum which starts with the header "Ladies". May I direct you to this thread?

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2384152&key=

LadyP my answer is the same, they shouldn't be posting there either because they cannot possibly be able to answer either. It clearly asks the opinions of women ONLY. Men cannot possibly know about whether the Ladies have entered their relationshiips with marriage in mind

Actually no never mind, I just noticed that at the end she asks for the opinions of submissives also.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 4:11:50 PM

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You are entitled to your opinion, of course. That being the case, you should probably look at the original that you quoted. It would be My opinion that you can't have it both ways.

So, as a redirect to anyone who would care to answer. What exactly happens in those cases where questions are posed on this board and not a single male Dominant steps forward to answer? Without the females that stepped up on some threads, people wouldn't be getting any information at all. Do you suppose that is preferable?

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 4:21:22 PM

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You're right LadyP I didn't read the whole of what DIS posted the first time I responded. I was responding to her first sentence only. It is still my opinion that females cannot possibly know how men feel about this subject simply because they aren't men. That and that alone is what I've been commenting on. I'm not saying that there should never be cross polination just in cases such as these when it just isn't possible to have an opinion.

FYI I wasn't writing in support or defense of MM he is more than capable of defending himself.

Change that, giving info is one thing asking an opinion of a specific group is another entirely

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 4:53:59 PM

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Zephy sweetie, (I say sweetie, because you are, not to minimize your opinion) do you ever answer posts addressed to total non-limits slaves even if you're not one? Or do you answer threads from obvious wankers who are looking for a specific element to answer, even if you don't fit into that element? I do.

Because we're allowed to, and I have an opinion.

People who posts threads can *ask* for anything they like, but according to CC's rules, we're all allowed to have opinions and to express them wherever. I don't think it's disrespectful actually. It's like rounding out the answer. Giving some perspective that would be missed if only a select group were targeted.

We're a select enough group here, we don't need to be picking and choosing what's significant and what isn't based on gender.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 5:02:14 PM

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So, as a redirect to anyone who would care to answer. What exactly happens in those cases where questions are posed on this board and not a single male Dominant steps forward to answer? Without the females that stepped up on some threads, people wouldn't be getting any information at all. Do you suppose that is preferable?

I've started my fair share of threads and if I am looking for a specific opinion from a specific group or gender, I make it known but at the same time I do realize that just because I may want a specific opinion doesn't mean there aren't others who are equally keen for the answer/opinion for a similar question who would like to hear from a different perspective. I think that's important to keep in mind. Just because the OP wants to hear from guys between the ages of 29 and 32 who live with women named Francesa doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe down the block wants to be that restricted so he has a bit more of an age range and doesn't care what your wife's name is but doesn't want to start another thread on the same subject because of mod slaps.

OP's only start threads, they don't own them and they don't get to dictate who answers in them as the mods have made it very clear that starting multiple threads on the same topic in a short time frame is a no no.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 6:15:53 PM

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Out of interest, do those who object to dommes posting in here, also object to posts by those of us who identify as "dominants", but not "masters". And daddies.

Easiest way to resolve this is to insist that anyone posting in this forum has a higher degree. Sadly, I don't, so I shall have to stop po

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 7:21:01 PM

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Gentlemen-
Seeing frequent posts from Dommes in this category has me wondering...how do you feel about female dominants inserting their opinions in your Ask A Master forum?

Best,
MDA

MDA:

In re-reading the various entries in this thread it appears as though in some respect the conflicting issues related to gender, when discussed among opposite genders, is partially related to a root of divisiveness that arises when different viewpoints are presented regardless of the subject.

It is common, as most people can attest to, that perceived misconceptions of gender as they are related to societal roles are at times in seeming opposition when in fact the underlying reason for the seeming differences are usually based on subjective interpretation by each individual regardless of their gender identity.

Personal opinion, including my own, is not failsafe by any stretch of the imagination. Nonetheless everyone is entitled to their own viewpoint even when there are vast differences that can lend an element of conflict to disagreement.

Point in fact it is true that the Op did use the Salutation of Gentlemen in her question. Therefore due to the fact that I identify as a gentlemen master I chose to answer. Thereafter in my reading the various entries it became obvious that many people made outstanding arguments.

IMO it is quite natural that there will be differing opinions and perspectives in any discussion due to the individual nature of those that contribute. I make no judgments regarding the differences. Instead the mutability is viewed from an objective analysis as opposed to a defensive or subjective analysis.

In one respect it is obvious that according to the definition in social circles the title of gentleman does not necessarily equate to a man that would even read these boards in any instance let alone in a frequent manner. Here again there are definitions that others hold as an authoritative principle set forth to guide their behavior or action, as we all do.

The differences in gender tend to be grossly misunderstood by the masses of society. The sameness’s of gender even in anthropology present dichotomies that remain unresolved. Irreconcilable gender differences indeed tend to dominate the human species when it is related to the agreement on the who, what, why and how of gender. Undoubtedly the continuum of gender is vast in its varying expressions. The 21st century does present uncharted waters when it comes to the adaptations of gender.

Society has yet to arrive at a collective definition that can rectify the opposing arguments that are held by those of a differing view of gender and its incalculable identifications. Gender identity is personally defined without a doubt. As a gentleman master I dare to disagree at times with other men when it comes to the subject of gender. It is not uncommon the be relegated or marginalized when you hold a different view regardless.

Even so gentlemen do exist. I am living proof. As are many of my gentleman friends who share in a common understanding and definition of living life as a gentleman master. Clearly the definition that I speak of does not necessarily exclude the opposite species of gender when it is related to opinions or commentaries regardless what form they are delivered through.

Dominant women who identify as a Domme do not pose a threat to myself as I have pointed out in 2 prior entries here in this thread. I am secure in who I am and am able to withstand my identity with all sort of people. I see no reason whatsoever to even consider that a man would oppose the comments or debate with a Dominant female in a Forum entitled, “ Ask a Master.” That is if he is sure of who he is and not inclined to persuasive argument from a stronger personality. IMO

It is accurate that the original question posed was asked of we men who do identify as gentlemen and or that could have been meant to say that the question was asked of we men who are born men by way of definition through our genitalia. Clearly it was men that the Op asked the question of. That does not mean that those who are not men cannot rely. Of course they can!

However semantically speaking man equals man. As woman equals woman. In essence yes men were asked to respond. Not all responses were posted by men. That does not change the fact that men were asked to give the Op their opinion to the question and that others here have attempted to point this semantic difference out.

The fact remains that medical science to this day imposes the practice in defining and determining the gender of all living born infants to be based solely on their genitalia. It is the ideologies of social conditioning that brings forth the remaining conflicts that are solely related to gender differences thereafter. Nonetheless everyone has their opinion that is allowed to be spoken even when another here on CM might ask for a specific group of people to reply, as the Moderators have made very clear.

In the nutshell, Live and let live.

signed: A Gentleman

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 7:27:21 PM

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i think we're still having this discussion because all sorts of people, with and without penises, like to bitch and moan. lol

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 7:50:44 PM

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Ma'am tells me I'm a gentleman all the time.

Does that count?

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 9:28:49 PM

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/11/2010 9:56:33 PM

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Not a problem for me at all as long as they don't mind us posting in Ask A Mistress if we choose to.

I have no problem with anyone from any perspective posting a reasonable and thoughtful on-topic reply in any forum, whether they have an innie or an outie. If you're participating legitimately and contributing your perspective, that can only be a good thing.

There are a few folks who troll forums they don't like or respect just to get negative responses or just to be snarky. The Gorean forum seems to be a fairly regular target for the snarkers, and we have a few in Ask A Mistress as well. Those folks aren't really welcome anywhere they go, but it's not because they have a dick. It's because they *are* dicks.

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/12/2010 3:17:00 AM

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RE: Dommes Posting in "Ask A Master" - 7/12/2010 5:05:09 AM

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But DIS how can females have an opinion in this case. Having an opinion in this case requires being male. It's not a matter of being excluded we simply cannot have an opinion, we aren't male nor are we Masters.

You don't have to have a penis to be a master as it has been explained not only in this thread but time and time again , nor is someone a master simply because they have a penise. Me having an opinion is not controlled by genitalia, infact not much in my life is.

*sigh* Look at the OP, I'll even post it here:

Gentlemen-
Seeing frequent posts from Dommes in this category has me wondering...how do you feel about female dominants inserting their opinions in your Ask A Master forum?

Best,
MDA

see? She says GENTLEMEN, specifically men. Honestly I don't see why it's so important, there are so many threads, why insist on posting on a subject you have no way of answering.

Ahhh....

But let's look at it this way, shall we?

There's many submissive men who would very likely be considered "gentlemen" by a great number of other individuals (and their power position doesn't really matter).

Hell, let's face it, in this day and age, anybody who possesses a masculine demeanor (let's not get into the sexual politics of it) and has sense of decorum or manners would be considered a "gentleman". If anyone would like to point to the whole capitalizing thing...I'd just like to refer those individuals back to their 2nd grade, publicly available education.

Which leads me to posting happily and some of the submissive men (be it straight, bi, or gay) while maintaining the integrity of the original question.

Now, if you want to go the route of "well, we all knew she meant 'Masters'", as previously discussed, females can and do identify as "Masters". The reality is that those who are more in touch with Leather tradition don't generally call themselves "Doms". It's "Sirs" and "Ma'ams" and "Masters". And even "way back when" females were given their Master's covers when they were accepted by the community in their area and had earned it. It just wasn't as common to have happened until after the Stonewall riots because female involvement in the gay male community just wasn't as well known or wide spread. If you'd like to ask some of the females who were there and did earn their covers, please feel free to contact Women in Leather International.

My point is, you stated somewhere else that someone sharing the opinion of a Master because they've heard it doesn't change when that Master is female. Ma'am received her Master's cover more than ten years ago, when living in Dallas (speaking of...I need to clean it). Those of us who attend Masters and slaves Together (MAsT) meetings would also have the potential to exposed to several "Master's" opinions on various different subjects...this very subject being a potential one.

Just throwing out some possibilities here.

boi

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