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GeorgiaMaster2u -> define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 12:53:18 PM)

I keep seeing profiles that say "I know the difference" in describing themselves as a slave or submissive. I have my own interpretations, but would love to hear some input from both Dominants and subs or slaves



LadyPact -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 1:00:22 PM)

There is a lovely feature here at CM on the lower left portion of the screen.  It is called "search".  If you don't know the difference at 53 years of age in this lifestyle, you may want to use it.



hopelesslyInvo -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 1:07:27 PM)

in a nutshell...

slaves wish to give up their rights, to feel they are the property of someone else, and do as pleases that person without question.

submissives enjoy the merit of making personal sacrifices for someone else; right of refusal is always maintained because the point of their submission generally lies in that they are making a choice rather than following an obligation. 

bottoms like sex.

flakes like playing hide and don't seek.

wankers like masturbation too much to bother looking for sex.



mnottertail -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 1:08:50 PM)

submissive has a whole bunch more letters than slave.



leadership527 -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 1:10:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
There is a lovely feature here at CM on the lower left portion of the screen.  It is called "search". 
For the record, I always detest this response.

@GorgiaMaster2u
Each and every single person is going to have nuances, differences, shadings, and god knows what. The question itself is pointless. So I could write out my own definition and 900 others could too. You'd find answers centered around obedience, surrender, spirit, submission, heart, and god knows what else. You'd find people talking about IE or EE or TPE (none of which are defined). You'd find "sex slaves" and "service slaves". You'd find discussions on "neuro-linguistic programming" and "memes" shrouding the whole thing in pseudo-science. In the end, there would be zero uniformity.

So let's just cut to the chase and assume you've read all that. What would you have learned other than the words are undefined?



hopelesslyInvo -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 1:11:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

submissive has a whole bunch more letters than slave.


what an optimist, clearly it's that slave has a whole lot less letters.



LadyPact -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 1:14:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
There is a lovely feature here at CM on the lower left portion of the screen.  It is called "search". 
For the record, I always detest this response.

For the record, I detest people who bring their lazy selves here to ask questions that could easily be answered if they got off of their ass and read a book.



GeorgiaMaster2u -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 2:20:55 PM)

Frankly I don't give a rats ass if yu detest me or not. If you read my post, It clearly states that I have my own interpretation of the terms. I was just interested in other points of view. How shallow to think that everything can be gained from a book.



GeorgiaMaster2u -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 2:22:37 PM)

Thank You, finally a reply that had some thought put into it and a understanding that it is hard to reply to a post without READING it.



Arpig -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 2:23:00 PM)

A slave is a submissive who self-identifies as a slave, a submissive is a slave who self-identifies as a such...in other words there is no real actual difference, it is all in the head of the submissive in question.



PeonForHer -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 2:30:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo

wankers like masturbation too much to bother looking for sex.



I resent that, HI.  I do occasionally look for sex, but I still consider myself a wanker. 



hopelesslyInvo -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 3:49:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo

wankers like masturbation too much to bother looking for sex.



I resent that, HI.  I do occasionally look for sex, but I still consider myself a wanker. 


you resent my comment?  oh please...

you have no idea what it means to be a twue wanker.  you probably only pretend to be a wanker to impress the ladies before they blow your entire ruse apart and expose you for the playa wanka you are.



lally2 -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 4:20:17 PM)

im begining to think that maybe a submissive is someone who is only submissive when in a relationship - whereas a slave is maybe someone who identifies with being a submissive type all of the time.

judging from the two threads we've recently had on both sub types.



hopelesslyInvo -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 5:55:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2
im begining to think that maybe a submissive is someone who is only submissive when in a relationship - whereas a slave is maybe someone who identifies with being a submissive type all of the time.


i think if they identified as being submissive all the time then 'submissive' would be what they called themselves, but they defensively draw a line between the two saying i'm not submissive, i'm (a) "slave".

i think it's nonsensical to compare a person's personality traits or natures with roles they can assume, or to say those traits determine which roles they can assume in life.  it would be like comparing the usage of black and white in terms of color with the cultures of blacks and whites in terms of race, or like saying "women can't be managers in the workplace". 

we're comparing apples to orange scented glade plug-ins.  the air freshener is intended to smell like fruit, and it does so only with plastic, gel, and a heating agent; not because it's actually made from fruit.  a submissive is intended to display and act on properties commonly found in someone who is submissive, but they can do so without actually being the socially-awkward-inherently-passive archetype itself.  a 'submissive' acts on protocol, a 'submissive person' acts on instinct; the results of their actions are what you can legitimately compare.

i'm going to try a different approach and see how this one rings.

in bdsm context-

a (consensual) slave is someone who sees something, for one reason or another in the notion of having a lack of personal freedom.
a submissive is someone who sees something, for one reason or another in willfully following the oppression of someone else, despite being free not to.



sweetsub1957 -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 7:36:08 PM)

hahaha Not this one again. Well, my interpretation is, slave is just more extreme than submissive. But that doesn't mean it's everyone's. It's really just up to the Dominants and s-types in any given relationship. That's what i think anyway.

~sweetsub~



peppermint -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/9/2010 8:02:55 PM)

Some people insist I'm a slave because I'm collared and owned.  However, I can not be a slave.  You see, slaves are owned by Masters.  Masters own slaves.  Submissives are with Dominants.  Dominants have submissives.  Since Gary says he is not a Master, I can not be a slave.  It's easy peasy as pie.  



KurtAllen -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/10/2010 3:14:07 AM)

quote:

I keep seeing profiles that say "I know the difference" in describing themselves as a slave or submissive. I have my own interpretations, but would love to hear some input from both Dominants and subs or slaves


I think one of the things I find most interesting about attempting to define differences within two very like things is one searches for an answer that is so obvious it has escaped them and the creative mind sets them adrift on a sea of probability and thereafter confusion reigns supreme.



PeonForHer -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/10/2010 4:46:38 AM)

FR

The trouble is, 'slave' sounds hornier to a sub's ears than does 'submissive'.  When I'm polishing the flagpole I have fantasies of being a slave.  When I've finished, though . . . I'm instantly a free man again and my erstwhile condition of slavery is forgotten - till that flagpole requires attention again. 



thishereboi -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/10/2010 4:52:14 AM)

fr
A slave is someone who identifies as a slave and a submissive is someone who identifies as a submissive. The exact details will vary from person to person.



MsNightShade -> RE: define submissive/slave difference (7/20/2010 4:21:57 PM)

A submissive has choices and safe words. Slaves don't.



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