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joether -> RE: 14th amendment debate (8/9/2010 11:41:03 AM)
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
LOLOL, Tazzy, the very second they step over the border they broke the law.
They use stolen SS cards and numbers which is a federal felony. If You or I did that it's 3-5 in a federal pen!
They use the US Postal Service to mail money which was obtained illegally, "mailfraud" another federal felony, if they use a wire service it's "wirefraud."
If ANYONE, steals a social security card, its a felony, and with good evidence, locks the person up. Their national status is irrelavent. However, unlike other countries, we in the USA, give each person a lawyer, if they can not afford one, to help guide them through the process. Their native country can talk to the State Department regarding them, if it wishs. Or do you honestly think, popeye1250, that an illegal immigrant doesnt get charged anything when caught?
The US Postal Service, has limits on what can and can not be sent through its service. Money, is an object that can be sent. No one can open a letter, without following strict legal guidelines (like a search warrant, in some states). Last I checked, sending money, in the mail, is NOT criminal. Doesn't matter if its a grandpa sending to his grand child three states away, or an illegal four counties away. If an illegal immigrant wishs to send money by way of a wire service, they can if they wish. You dont seem to really want to treat illegal immigrants under the law fairly (which the 14th gives). Likewise, if you are for, 'what someone does with their money', then I could argue, more taxes are needed. Since, the illegal immigrant pays gas and alochol, both of which are taxed in this country. We just increase that tax, so the illegal immigrant has LESS money to send home. That....popeye1250....is what you just argued. You, a conservative, arguedFOR tax increases.
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Tazzy, just to "remain" in the U.S. they are committing all kinds of crimes.
When our govt. "doesn't" enforce the laws that's when the problems start!
The goverment enforces the laws of the land. They have a long track record of doing so. from the FBI down to the local police officer, people work to enforce the laws of the land. They may not enforce EVERY law, in EVERY instance, but they do enforces laws to both the extent of the law, and reasonably possible. Otherwise, EVERY person on the highway, would be traveling below the posted speed limit. Maybe someone should secretly tail you, popeye1250, and record on video, your typical driving habits. Wouldn't you like that? That is metaphorically, what your saying, the goverment should do towards illegal immigrants. You just want the eyes of law enforcement directed any other direction then you. So I guess its fair to question.....why would you want law enforcement, not checking on YOU?
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Up in N. Carolina now 1/3 of all DUI deaths are caused by illegal aliens. FAR out of proportion to their numbers!
And they are not supposed to be earning *any* money here if they're illegal.
Where does your information come from? Could you produce the source?
Since if one third, of illegal immigrants are on DUI charges; how are they getting gas, without paying taxes on it? Since, that too, is ANOTHER, reason people like you, popeye1250, argue illegal immigrants gain while in our country. Getting a functional car, is about as easy in our country, as aquiring a firearm. Getting alochol is even easier. But, what about the other 2/3rds of offenders? Those would be AMERICANS. And lastly, thanks to Republican's typical, line-item bull droppings about 'the Free Enterprise System', and 'Capitalism', someone who will work for peanuts doing the dirtest of work, WILL, get paid.
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
If so, that means they are more than six times more likely to get a DUI.
My personal belief is that the rate of property crimes is similar, or worse.
So, how are they getting the gas, and beer, without paying taxes on either? Last I checked, that was one of the 'reasons', conservatives hate illegal immigrants. But the arguement you make, doesn't have anything to do with what you claim, liberals like (item #1 or 2). Or do conservatives think illegal immigrants are rich? And that rich people, do not cause crimes?
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