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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/1/2006 2:00:43 AM   
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I remember good ol' Katy High and the tryouts for the football team. There would be something like 150 guys trying out.
 
Way off to the side, there would be about five guys kicking around a soccer ball. That was the soccer team.
 
Eventually, after a few weeks, the football team would cut all the guys that sucked.
 
Strangely, the next day the soccer team would have like 25 guys. 


True story.
Many, many years ago, in ye olde Plymouth, the rugby team needed some new members, so they went to each house asking men if they wanted to join.  A few members said they would and turned up the next day at training.  The coach couldn't help but notice how some of them had turned up with round metal boxes on their heads and padding all over their body.  "What the hell is all that??" said the coach.  "Protection in case we hurt ourselves" came the reply.  The coach was furious.  "What are you, men or mice?  Take those stupid helmets off and undo all that padding" he fumed.
They refused, and the coach was so incensed he had them deported on a ship called the Mayflower.  That type of rugby now appears popular in America as a sport called "American football".  And to this day, you can still hear British people laugh whenever they see the way they're dressed.


Good thing I'm not into sports or I'd get this thread going again. Those sound like fighting words to me. LOL

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 4:09:58 AM   
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Questioning your government is not only the right thing to do, it is the MOST patriotic thing to do. In fact, questioning authority is precisely the job of each and every citizen. This whole idea of "love it or leave it" was clearly dreamed up by people that actually hate the idea of a vigorous republic.


Chaingang....

I know these people are going to have my head for resurrecting this thread, but I wanted to post few excerpts from one of the foremost researchers of Leo Strauss and the whole ''Neocon mentality''  -  I also might add that :  Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, William Bennet, John Ashcroft and Francis Fukuyama  are all either protégés or followers in some way of the Straussian / Bloom philosophy { Known today as the modern day Neocon mentality - and, not to be confused with ''Old style conservatism''} -- Many haven't figured that out yet, the difference between the two that is!!!!


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''A review of Leo Strauss' career reveals why the label "Straussian" carries some very filthy implications. Although nominally a Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany (he actually left for a better position abroad, on the warm recommendation of Nazi jurist Carl Schmitt), Strauss was an unabashed proponent of the three most notorious shapers of the Nazi philosophy: Friedrich Nietzsche, Martin Heidegger, and Carl Schmitt. Recent biographies have revealed the depth of Heidegger's enthusiasm for Hitler and Nazism, while he served as the Chancellor of Freiburg University, throughout the epoch of National Socialism, and was the leader of a Nietzschean revival. Carl Schmitt, the leading Nazi philosopher of law, was personally responsible, in 1934, for arranging a Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for Strauss, which enabled him to leave Germany, to study in England and France, before coming to the United States to teach at the New School for Social Research, and then, the University of Chicago. Strauss, in his long academic career, never abandoned his fealty to Nietzsche, Heidegger, and Schmitt.

The hallmark of Strauss' approach to philosophy was his hatred of the modern world, his belief in a totalitarian system, run by "philosophers," who rejected all universal principles of natural law, but saw their mission as absolute rulers, who lied and deceived a foolish "populist" mass, and used both religion and politics as a means of disseminating myths that kept the general population in clueless servitude. For Strauss and all of his protégés (Strauss personally had 100 Ph.D. students, and the "Straussians" now dominate most university political science and philosophy departments), the greatest object of hatred was the United States itself, which they viewed as nothing better than a weak, pathetic replay of "liberal democratic" Weimar Germany.''



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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 4:49:31 AM   
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I know this sort of thing has done the rounds and most people will know about it but it The Project For The New American Century is important because many people around the world see it as official American policy.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 5:50:17 AM   
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I can see your point, UtopianRanger - esp. after reading this a while ago:

"God's Senator"
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9178374/gods_senator

But I see all kinds of lines that can be drawn from political antecedents...

Personally, I see Neocon adventuring as a kind Trotskyite permanent revolution thing that aligns fairly easily with what George Orwell described in the fake Emmanuel Goldstein book "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism." Thus all the conflict the neocons see in the world around us (a.k.a. Got Nukes?) is actually and solely for the creation of a war "waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact". Society as they see it, ruled by the wealthy elite with power maintained over the less fortunate masses. Gee, doesn't that sound just like Russian styled "communism" or just flat out the usual military dictatorship?

And the winners are:
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Koch Industries
Halliburton Energy Services
Exxon Mobil Corporation
BP
Royal Dutch Shell
Total
Monsanto Company
Dupont
Archer Daniels Midland Company
Pfizer
Johnson & Johnson
GlaxoSmithKline
Sanofi-Aventis
Merck
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Target Corporation
Etc.

Seriously, all you have to do is a tiny bit of research into any of those companies to see how the good old American "reverse Robin Hood" taxation scheme is in effect. It really does explain a lot.

Edit: You know, if you google "Reverse Robin Hood" the links are kinda interesting...


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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 6:14:09 AM   
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Luxemburg is mobilising its forces and comin' to getcha!


*runs in fear from the terrible might of Benelux*

*meow*

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 6:16:08 AM   
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P.S. We could, using all the forces of the Commonwealth, easily take back our American colony any time we chose.  
 


Are you serious? All we have to do is let out two or three postal employees and you're all dead meat.

Celeste


I warn you. Our front line is English football supporters, Rugby players and (hold  your breath with fear)......Prince Charles.

Let's go.


Hmmm, I must admit hooligans are a terrible force to be reckoned with!!

Though, don't you think the Scottish might take advantage of the distraction and military deployment to go balls over republic like a certain other gaelic region? ;)

*meow*

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 6:54:35 AM   
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True story.
Many, many years ago, in ye olde Plymouth, the rugby team needed some new members, so they went to each house asking men if they wanted to join.  A few members said they would and turned up the next day at training.  The coach couldn't help but notice how some of them had turned up with round metal boxes on their heads and padding all over their body.  "What the hell is all that??" said the coach.  "Protection in case we hurt ourselves" came the reply.  The coach was furious.  "What are you, men or mice?  Take those stupid helmets off and undo all that padding" he fumed.

They refused, and the coach was so incensed he had them deported on a ship called the Mayflower.  That type of rugby now appears popular in America as a sport called "American football". 

And to this day, you can still hear British rugby fans laugh whenever they see the way they're dressed.



Oi Oi OI, me old chum.. Wash your mouth out with soap and water..... I still have a passion for Rugby Union and for Gridiron Both playing and watching both sports (Go Dallas!!!!!)....

But then I'm one of those colonial blokes y'know......


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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 7:48:45 AM   
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I realise that this thread has been so severely hijacked by now that it is unconnected with the OP, but I did think of another example of a country that has put the US (and the entire world) to shame.

Canada, for unilaterally disarming its nuclear weapons.

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 8:52:54 AM   
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I realise that this thread has been so severely hijacked by now that it is unconnected with the OP, but I did think of another example of a country that has put the US (and the entire world) to shame.

Canada, for unilaterally disarming its nuclear weapons.


I'm not trying to be a flag waver here, but don't you think having the red, white & blue right next door, with the greatest military the world has ever seen, may have played a part in that decision?

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/4/2006 6:26:57 PM   
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I realise that this thread has been so severely hijacked by now that it is unconnected with the OP, but I did think of another example of a country that has put the US (and the entire world) to shame.

Canada, for unilaterally disarming its nuclear weapons.


I'm not trying to be a flag waver here, but don't you think having the red, white & blue right next door, with the greatest military the world has ever seen, may have played a part in that decision?

Caitlyn, what a disgusting display of Ugly Americanism! The "greatest" military? How will other people beyond our shores react to that proud boasting? Tell the world right now you repent!

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/5/2006 2:13:08 AM   
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Caitlyn, what a disgusting display of Ugly Americanism! The "greatest" military? How will other people beyond our shores react to that proud boasting? Tell the world right now you repent!


Great military powers get beaten when they fight stupid wars and when they are convinced they are invincible.

Bush has broke the first rule. Commit your troops only in the last resort. Iraq has shown Iran and the rest of the middle east, for all its military strength, the USA isn't that powerful. Not as powerful as they imagined anyway.

With Russia and China sympathetic to Iran, where is Bush's Iran policy now?

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/5/2006 3:22:56 AM   
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With Russia and China sympathetic to Iran, where is Bush's Iran policy now?


I promised myself I was gonna take a break from the political nonsense but I just couldn't resist

First of all..... Russia and China don't factor in at all as far as the Neocons are concerned when it comes to Iran. I suspect that the only two things stopping them from attacking, is the political pressure at home stemming from such a poor showing in Iraq, and to a greater degree, if there's a war with Iran, that means there's a hellva good chance the ''Straights of Hormuz'' will be affected and it will impede all oil traffic coming from the Middle East.

Now the US can limp along with oil from Nigeria, Venezuela, and its own lofty reserves, but Japan and Europe will be severely hurt. Even if the ''Straights'' remains open and unimpeded, it still means that the ''maritime'' insurance for super tankers to enter the gulf will sky rocket and the oil futures market will go out of sight.

Now... the other part to this is, Iran is essentially a ''client state'' of both Russia and China. So, it's my bet that both the Kremlin and the PLA would love to see us attack Iran { Eventhough they pretend like they're against it}. They know it will further weaken us, and at the same time, become very lucrative for them selling arms and defense technology to Iran.

Think of it as a proxy war! One that's designed to deplete our resources, and at the same time, further deflate our currency by causing hyper-inflation when oil goes up to a hundred and fifty dollars a barrel.    


I know…. It’s another conspiracy theory, right?  LMAO!!!


 
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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/5/2006 3:41:59 AM   
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I am pretty damned sure it did have something to do with the decision making process, simple common sense and logic dictates that. However we are talking about Canadian politicians, so common sense and logic are not necessarily involved

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/5/2006 3:47:31 AM   
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I promised myself I was gonna take a break from the political nonsense but I just couldn't resist       



Yep. I know the feeling. One really needs someone tightening ones nuts in a vice to help one desist.

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/5/2006 4:29:08 AM   
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Great military powers


Don't have GWB at the helm or reelect him for a second term.

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/5/2006 11:12:05 AM   
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Caitlyn, what a disgusting display of Ugly Americanism! The "greatest" military? How will other people beyond our shores react to that proud boasting? Tell the world right now you repent!


You're right ... here I was trying to be all cool like ... and then this happens!!!
 
Actually, the whole point is nothing more than practical ... whomever is the strongest today, will by default be the greatest military the world has ever known ... unless of course we have another dark age that sets technology back a few hundred years.
 
Of course, I'm totally bucking the popular notion of some here ... that the United States does not in fact actually have all those aircraft carriers, stealth aircraft, etc, etc, etc ... and that we are just ripe for the picking, by some country with half a billion guys wearing pajamas.
 
I don't see this as thnking anyone is invincible ... not at all. I think the reason you build and keep a strong military, is the acceptance of the pragmatic truth that might makes right ... nobody is invincible ... and if you want to be right, you better have might behind you.
 
That may not be a popular point of view ... but I didn't make the world the way it is. I just live here.

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/5/2006 9:18:16 PM   
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You need to see the movie Syriana.

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/6/2006 6:51:28 AM   
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I don't see this as thnking anyone is invincible ... not at all. I think the reason you build and keep a strong military, is the acceptance of the pragmatic truth that might makes right ... nobody is invincible ... and if you want to be right, you better have might behind you.

When you use the term "might makes right" you're not really making a comment about ethics, are you? You said that once before and I wrote a post to tell you I disagreed with that, but now I'm thinking you mean something different from what I thought you meant.

I'm not that familiar with Nietsche or Ayn Rand, but I think they believed something similar to "might makes right." Is that what you believe -- that those with more power are necessarily morally correct? Because that's the accepted meaning of that term. I think you shouldn't use that phrase unless that's what you mean.

If might made right, then Christianity is wrong (at least in terms of what happens in THIS world), so I disagree with the notion.

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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/6/2006 7:07:31 AM   
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The winners write history, which makes might is right.

The fact that many great powers through human history have distroyed cultures, means those cultures don't get an historical voice.


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RE: List of countries that put America to shame - 5/6/2006 12:04:39 PM   
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The winners write history, which makes might is right.

The fact that many great powers through human history have distroyed cultures, means those cultures don't get an historical voice.




....and those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.....so now we can remember it in sufficient numbers and detail, let's stop it.......

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