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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 12:19:01 PM   
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That means, according to the definition given by jlf, that all those sources used the wrong terminology.

Calling a melon a lemon don't make it a lemon.


Right.

Sometimes I think Orwell came to the future twice. The first time he heard a couple of liberal folk conversing, went back and wrote Animal Farm. The second time he saw what was happening with the Patriot Act, went back and wrote 1984.

Like I said, jf is right and everyone else is either wrong or stupid. He certainly seems to be the islam is peace authority, that's for sure.


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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 12:25:12 PM   
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Well at least they don't drink and drive.

I'll balance up all the adulterers stoned to death on one hand and all the people killed by DUI's on the other.

The Bible is probably just as full of violence but it's the individual interpretation that counts. What is wrong is where a religion dictates state law.

I don't particularly care what a religion says should happen as long as some common sense is applied when laws are written but then you could say who's common sense? That is why all religious law is wrong because it was written before anyone got a chance to say what should be written.

No debate just following the word of the dead who lived in another long lost age, hardly the way to run a modern society. If we used Christian values as written in the bible (to form laws) people would probably be shocked as to how little freedom they had left to live their life how they wanted. We know this because this is exactly what it was like when Christian laws weren't debated by society. It's the lack of debate that's the issue not one religious law being superior to another because they are all a pile of shite when not put into context with the modern world. Does anyone think our laws as they are now were taken directly from the bible and haven't changed in decades?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 12:44:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
Right.

Sometimes I think Orwell came to the future twice. The first time he heard a couple of liberal folk conversing, went back and wrote Animal Farm. The second time he saw what was happening with the Patriot Act, went back and wrote 1984.

Like I said, jf is right and everyone else is either wrong or stupid. He certainly seems to be the islam is peace authority, that's for sure.



And the "religious right" is a peace loving nonviolent movement? What about the number members who have been arrested for bombing or trying to burn down abortion clinics, or those who have tried bombing abortion clinics, OR those who have killed abortion workers or abortion doctors.

Not to mention some "nonviolent"christian conservative who detonated a pipe bomb outside a mosque in Florida on May 10th? Or the three anti Islam attacks on Muslims in California this year?

How many Muslims in America have bombed christian churches? Perhaps you know of Muslims who have murdered Christians in the states?

Or is it alright because all these acts were done in the name of Christ?



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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 12:45:41 PM   
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Here's a typical letter from a far-right citizen to the Daily Kos:

"YOU LIB TRAITORS WANT TO SELL AMERICAS SOUL TO ISLAMIST NAZIS WHO WILL CELEBRATE THE MURDER OF 3000 AMERICANS BY BUILDING A VICTORY MOSQUE AND SPITTING ON THE REMAINS OF THEIR VICTIMS!! FIRST YOU LET FAGGOTS TAKE OVER CALIFORNIA AGAINST THE PEOPLES WILL AND NOW YOU THINK GROUND ZERO SHOULD BE DEFILED BY YOUR FASCIST MUSLIM TERRORIST SYMPTHIZER FRIENDS!!! DO YOU THINK AMERICANS ARE TOO BLIND TO SEE YOUR FASCIST COUP FOR WHAT IT IS? THEIR NOT! YOU MAY WANT TO SPEND YOUR LIFE IN A FUCKING MOSQU WORSHIPPING YOUR PRECIOUS ALLAH BUT AMERICANS ARE A CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER ACCEPT YOUR TEERORIST CULT! ! MAYBE YOU AND THE TERROR IMAM RAUF SHOULD GET HOMO-MARRIED! ! THEN YOU COULD GET JUDGE HOMO WALKER TO REPEAL CHRISTIANITY AND TATTOO A FUCKING SWASTIKA ON YOUR FAGGOT ASS! WE BEAT THE NAZIS IN WW2 AND WE WILL BEAT YOUR MUSLIM NAZI INFILTRATORS THIS TIME AS WELL!! MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TU FUCKING PAKISTAN TO SEE HOW GREAT YOUR ALLAH REALLY IS!! YOU WOULD GET IMMEDIATELY GANGRAPED BY A BUNCH OF FUCKING GOATHERDERS WITH THREE-FOOT BEARDS AND THEN BURNED ALIVE IN ALLAHS NAME!!!! ISNT THAT GREAT?? HOMO!! UNLESS YOU GO TO PAKISTAN YOU ARE A COWARD AND HYPOCRYTE AND A FAGGOT TO BOOT!!!! HAVE A NICE RAMADAN (YOUR NEW FAVORITE HOLIDAY) AND I HOPE YOUR NEW MASTER ALLAH RAPES YOU AND EVERY FUCKING DIRTY MUSLIM ASSHOLE TERRORIST YOU HAVE FAGGOT SEX WITH!!! FUCK YOU FAGGOT AND THE FBI WILL SOON ARREST SOON! ENJOY GUANTANAMO!!!!! "

And another letter from a conservative concerned citizen:

"you fucking jews think your so fucking smart huh?! do you really think the closet jew "imam" rauf could pass for a muslim?!? the whole gzm is nothing but a jew plot to make the american government and pres. obama support israel even more, now that iran is going to have nukes. your really fucking scared that you fucking kikes wont be the only ones in the mideast with nukes arent you?? the "mosque" thing is a pretty pathetic distraction from the real goals of the jews who are secretly funding the project. whats really going to be in this "community center"? a mossad base? weapons? this is typical mossad modus aoperandi and has been seen many times before. jews have no shame and have tried to infiltrate all countries in the world with many tactics such as fake mosques and half-jew babies who are then recalled to israel for "retraining" when they become of age. it is well known that the council of european jews has full control of most "moslem" organizations in the west and uses them to strenghten israels posittion against the palestinians. propaganda without shame is the jew credo and lies are your weapons. fuck you and "shalom"! "

Like, wow, man!!! The "Jews" are responsible for Islamist radicals! Who knew?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:00:15 PM   
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I get the impression from a few posters that they would not be happy unless every Muslim in America were deported


I don't think anyone wants them all deported.


The 'Right' most certainly wants them deported. Including those who are US Citizens; just remove their citizenship, and then remove them. Or do you want to try to argue the 'right' in this country, DOESNT, have the grand majority of racists, conspiracists, militiamen, or delusional people, on its side?

Rather then hold them accountible, they embrace and encourage the attitudes. Heck, they are pouring money so This nutjob can run for public office.

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ORIGINAL Strangerthan
I do think however, that there is a decent segment of the population who does want people to quit telling us that what we see is not what we see, that what we hear is not what we hear, that what we read is not what we read, that what we have personally experienced is not what we experienced.


Like These Anti-'Fox News' Guys? Or how about these guys?

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
I think most people will grant you that islam has its peaceful side and its violent side.


Just like any other religion in the world, big or small. Or have you already forgotten These Guys, in American History?

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
I think a good portion of the population of the US would also agree that islam needs to clean itself up before presenting itself to the world as a peaceful and compassionate religion.


Just like Republicans should clean up their act? Just like conservatives should clean up their act?. How about the Tea Party Movement cleans up its act? Just like Christinas should clean up their act?

Or are you trying to say, that only those of the Islamic faith, have done wrong to the USA in the last twenty years? As each of those groups, are part of the same philosophy: If they dont get what they want, they'll just use Second Amendment Remedies.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
It's kinda like... combing your hair, scrubbing your face, and donning a new pair of pants but wearing shoes covered in dog crap.


.....That is actually pretty good quote, StrangerThan (Take a Bow); to bad for you, the arguement works against you too.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
And yes, we all know how bad Christians have been in the past. I say that, because someone will inevitably link some event from a few centuries ago to highlight reasons why we should all sing camp songs with the one religion most equated with violent activities in the world today.


Why go back a few centuries? None of my links are of events older then 30 years. Only someone promoting hatred, anger, violence, and suffering, would make a claim like this. You should really study about The Sith Lords. Those guys, while fictional, are based on alot of real world history, concepts, and religious/political outlooks of the world. They deal in absolutes: Good vs. Evil, Right vs. Wrong, Truth vs. Fact (ironic, eh?). You know who The Sith, most remind me of, StrangerThan?

These guys!

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:23:41 PM   
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Maybe you should listen to other sources, like your president, NPR, ABC, oh hell, pick one. What you will find is mosque used in synonymous terms with the structure.

From NPR


"Right now, it’s a visceral feeling — this is a place where Americans died," Lombardo says,
despite the fact that it is a misconception that the Islamic center,
which would include a mosque at the site of what used to be a Burlington Coat Factory outlet,
would sit on ground zero.

From ABC

The proposed center is two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center.
It has often been referred to as the "Ground Zero Mosque,"
although its supporters say it would
mainly be a community center, not principally a mosque.

From your president


"the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances."

People screaming no mosque are ignoring virtually the entire body of reporting done on it in order to cling to some technicality. This is Orwellian double-speak at its best. 

I posted a ton of links on another thread to show this once before, and it is the last time I will do your fucking research for you.

Edited to add, I tried to stick to the left of reporting services - mostly because I know anything not left of common sense will be immediately derided. So deride your own folks if you wish.



And they are all mis stating the purpose of the center. Again, a mosque is a building or structure where only religious services can be held. A mosque cannot contain a community center, a culinary school or a gym.

A community center can contain a masjids, which is a place for the five daily prayers required by the Muslim religion.

I am sorry that these people do not know the definition, nor do they seem to know anything about the religion in general.

Of course, by your very argument, any building that houses a chapel is a church. That would make every hospital a church, the Pentagon becomes a church, the capital becomes a church (the used to hold religious services in the House Chamber.)

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:44:31 PM   
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The same could be said for the militia groups in the US, the religious right anti abortion extremists

Okay.
So: say it. Do it.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:45:53 PM   
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Where's the jihad part? The suicide bomber part?

There are always apologists...

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:49:03 PM   
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The Bible is probably just as full of violence but it's the individual interpretation that counts


No.
To most of us its the New Testament that counts.
That, and/or current events. Say, violence less than 50 years old.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:57:57 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:58:05 PM   
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Or is it alright because all these acts were done in the name of Christ?


You do keep reaching.
Convince me these things were done "in the name of Christ" and of course the answer is : "No, of course not".

Nowow me state support for "Christian terror", fundraising organizations dedicated to "Christian terror", schools devoted to teaching "Christian terror", and training camps for "Christian terror" spread around the world. Then, and only then, will you have succeeded in your meaningless attempt to whitewash one side by smearing shit on the other.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 1:59:35 PM   
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A mosque is a place of worship for followers of Islam. Muslims often refer to the mosque by its Arabic name masjid[1] (Arabic: مسجد‎ — Arabic pronunciation: [ˈmæsdʒɪd] (pl. masājid, Arabic: مساجد‎ — [mæˈsæːdʒɪd]), which literally means a place of prostration. The word "mosque" in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated for Islamic worship although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, masjids dedicated for daily five prayers and the larger masajid where the daily five prayers and the Friday congregation sermons are held (مسجد جامع, masjid jāmi‘), which is attended by more people and play more roles such as teaching Qur'an.

The community center cannot house a mosque. At most it is a masjid, or a prayer center. There is a distinction.

By your argument, a hospital with a chapel is a church.



Jlf, no where in your definition does it state that a Mosque can not have a kitchen or meeting room. Now here does it make the distinction that you claim. Please give some proof of your silly claim that a Mosque can not cntain a kitchen or meeting room, or a general purpose community room.

as this structure has a prayer room designed for the big Friday night gig with Sermon, it is a masjid jaami'. Which is a mosque. At least according to the definition you posted.




And another question, we are told over and over there is no unified Islamic community, So who's community center is this going to be? Since there is no such thing as an Islamic Community?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 2:05:44 PM   
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The Bible is probably just as full of violence but it's the individual interpretation that counts


No.
To most of us its the New Testament that counts.
That, and/or current events. Say, violence less than 50 years old.



Well, here you go, christian violence in the United States, listing anti-abortion first.

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Murders

In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5]

* March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.

* August 21, 1993 Dr. George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.

* July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003.
* December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[8] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
* January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
* October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
* May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.

[edit] Attempted murder, assault, and threats

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[10] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:

* August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
* July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
* December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
* October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.
* January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.
* May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.

Anthrax threats

The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.

* November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December 3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.

Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[10] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[16] More recent incidents have included:

* December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."
* October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.
* May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.
* September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.
* June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.
* July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.
* December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.
* September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.
* April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.
* May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
* December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.
* January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.


May10th, 2010 a bomb was placed outside a mosque in Florida.

Continuing harassment and attacks:

By 2001-SEP-25, three weeks after the attack, there have been many assaults on Muslims in the U.S. In addition, Sikhs are being targeted because some are being mistaken for Muslims. Hispanic-Americans have been harassed, presumably because of their skin color. One Egyptian Copt was murdered. Even members of the Baha'i Faith have been harassed. It is ironic that Baha'is are themselves viciously persecuted in Iran, and Copts are oppressed in Egypt.

Some examples of anti Muslim attacks are:

On the afternoon of Saturday, 2001-SEP-15, a gunman killed the 49 year old owner of a gas station in Mesa, AZ. He was a Sikh. His family believes that he was killed because he "looked Middle Eastern." Additional shots were fired at a Lebanese clerk and at the home of an Afghan family.

On the evening of Saturday, 2001-SEP-15, a gunman killed a Pakistani Muslim store owner in Dallas, TX.

Adel Karas, 48, an Egyptian-American grocer was shot and killed near his International Market store in San Gabriel, CA. He was a Copt -- neither Muslim nor Arab. No money was taken. Police are investigating the murder as a possible hate crime.

A man drove his car through the front entrance of Parma Mosque in Cleveland OH.

Also on Saturday, a Christian of Egyptian origin was shot dead in California.

Near Chicago, IL, there was a march in which about 300 anti-Arab youths waved flags, shouted "USA, USA," and attempted to march on a mosque in Bridgeview, IL -- a suburb southwest of Chicago. Colin Zaremba, 19, said: "I'm proud to be American and I hate Arabs and I always have." Three demonstrators were arrested.

In Chicago, a Molotov cocktail was thrown t an Arab-American community center. There were no injuries and little damage.

In Huntington, NY, Adam Lang, reportedly a drunken driver, 75, allegedly tried to kill a Pakistani woman with his car. He later followed the woman into a store and threatened to kill her for "destroying my country."

In Gary, IN, a man wearing a mask pumped over 20 bullets from a high-powered assault rifle at a Muslim, Hassan Awdah. He survived. Hassan is a U.S. citizen, born in Yemen.

In Lynnwood, WA, a mosque was vandalized.

In Suffolk County, NY, a man allegedly made anti-Arab threats and pointed a handgun at the employee of a gas station. He was arrested.

In a prison in Washington state, two inmates fought over an anti-Muslim slur.

a gasoline bomb was thrown into the home of a Sikh family in California.

Sunnyvale: Man attacked for being Muslim, public safety officers say

May 17 2010 San Diego: Muslim Assaulted and told “Go back home”

Sorry to say, but it appears that Muslims have a lot to fear from fellow Americans. Just think, there have been 3, three attacks on Americans by American Muslims. Seems that the facts are not in your favor truckinslave.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 2:13:17 PM   
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Or is it alright because all these acts were done in the name of Christ?


You do keep reaching.
Convince me these things were done "in the name of Christ" and of course the answer is : "No, of course not".

Nowow me state support for "Christian terror", fundraising organizations dedicated to "Christian terror", schools devoted to teaching "Christian terror", and training camps for "Christian terror" spread around the world. Then, and only then, will you have succeeded in your meaningless attempt to whitewash one side by smearing shit on the other.



These attacks and incidents were conducted by members of "The Army of God" and "Lambs of Christ."

Again, all easily researched and sourced.

Want to try again to deny the truth?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 2:34:35 PM   
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These attacks and incidents were conducted by members of "The Army of God" and "Lambs of Christ."


Which few?
I had never heard of either group; Wiki links lambs of Christ to one specific incident by one individual member.

These are tiny tiny sects that you think equate to Hamas.
That's just silly.
Try adding some porportionality to your diet.

Smearing others with shit will not redeem Islam. Only Islam can do that, and few of them seem at all interested.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 2:38:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave: Smearing others with shit will not redeem Islam. Only Islam can do that, and few of them seem at all interested.

I'm almost certain that most Muslims around the world could give a shit what Americans like you want them to do.


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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 2:41:09 PM   
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I'm almost certain that most Muslims around the world could give a shit what Americans like you want them to do.


That's exactly right.
They want their worldwide caliphate, they are willing to fight for it. The balloon will go up, and I cannot stop it.
Worldwide religious war is on the way.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 2:49:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

These attacks and incidents were conducted by members of "The Army of God" and "Lambs of Christ."


Which few?
I had never heard of either group; Wiki links lambs of Christ to one specific incident by one individual member.

These are tiny tiny sects that you think equate to Hamas.
That's just silly.
Try adding some porportionality to your diet.

Smearing others with shit will not redeem Islam. Only Islam can do that, and few of them seem at all interested.



The simple truth, which people like you seem to be blind to, is that in most Muslim countries, Sharia Law is not practiced, that there are more Muslim Imams speaking out against terrorism and extremism than supporting it, that there are even Muslims speaking out against Sharia Law.

Of course I did not mention the large number of Christian militia groups in the US that actively preach over throwing the government, or did you forget about the Hutaree? Or perhaps you even neglect to think of the Christian Patriot movement?

Of course, I notice you have no defense for the number of Muslim Americans that have been the victims of violence in the US. I guess that is okay because it is just Muslims.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 3:00:38 PM   
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When Christians want to kill my children I'll equate them with Muslims.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/22/2010 3:01:46 PM   
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How about when priests want to rape your children...?

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