StrangerThan
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I get the impression from a few posters that they would not be happy unless every Muslim in America were deported
I don't think anyone wants them all deported.
The 'Right' most certainly wants them deported. Including those who are US Citizens; just remove their citizenship, and then remove them. Or do you want to try to argue the 'right' in this country, DOESNT, have the grand majority of racists, conspiracists, militiamen, or delusional people, on its side?
Rather then hold them accountible, they embrace and encourage the attitudes. Heck, they are pouring money so This nutjob can run for public office.
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I do think however, that there is a decent segment of the population who does want people to quit telling us that what we see is not what we see, that what we hear is not what we hear, that what we read is not what we read, that what we have personally experienced is not what we experienced.
Like These Anti-'Fox News' Guys? Or how about these guys?
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I think most people will grant you that islam has its peaceful side and its violent side.
Just like any other religion in the world, big or small. Or have you already forgotten These Guys, in American History?
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I think a good portion of the population of the US would also agree that islam needs to clean itself up before presenting itself to the world as a peaceful and compassionate religion.
Just like Republicans should clean up their act? Just like conservatives should clean up their act?. How about the Tea Party Movement cleans up its act? Just like Christinas should clean up their act?
Or are you trying to say, that only those of the Islamic faith, have done wrong to the USA in the last twenty years? As each of those groups, are part of the same philosophy: If they dont get what they want, they'll just use Second Amendment Remedies.
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It's kinda like... combing your hair, scrubbing your face, and donning a new pair of pants but wearing shoes covered in dog crap.
.....That is actually pretty good quote, StrangerThan (Take a Bow); to bad for you, the arguement works against you too.
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And yes, we all know how bad Christians have been in the past. I say that, because someone will inevitably link some event from a few centuries ago to highlight reasons why we should all sing camp songs with the one religion most equated with violent activities in the world today.
Why go back a few centuries? None of my links are of events older then 30 years. Only someone promoting hatred, anger, violence, and suffering, would make a claim like this. You should really study about The Sith Lords. Those guys, while fictional, are based on alot of real world history, concepts, and religious/political outlooks of the world. They deal in absolutes: Good vs. Evil, Right vs. Wrong, Truth vs. Fact (ironic, eh?). You know who The Sith, most remind me of, StrangerThan?
These guys!
I will most certainly argue that the majority of conspirators and racists is not on the right. There are more conspiracy theories here than I've ever heard of anywhere. As far as racists go, the left can't see anything but. The rest of the world will never manage to look at a man as a man or a woman as a woman as long as there's a liberal in the room.
You and jt both assume that my issue with this mosque/cultural center is based on religion or politics. That means you both can pull your head out of your asses. As I have stated many times in this debate, it is not about religious tolerance, not about any hatred of islam, nor about politics in general. It is that this structure is at the wrong place, at the wrong time. The majority of America is not going to ride this boat with you. Insisting that they do so, insisting they ignore an islamic place of worship being constructed near ground zero, only gives pundits the ammunition they need to point out that supporters who use A) religious tolerance are incredibly and insanely hypocritical as evidenced by the hatred of Christians that they use in defense, B) supporters who insist this is a cultural center only won't answer the simple questions of if it is, why does it need the islamic tag on it, why does every other reporting organization use mosque synonymously with the structure? and C) why a good portion of those same supporters aren;t supporting the rebuilding of the greek orthodox church..
you want me to keep going? The religious intolerance tact being played out on the left is nothing short of laughable.
This structure does not belong here at this point in time. Period. They certainly have the right to build it, but it is incredibly insensitive and downright stupid to go ahead with it.
You can take heart though, you have a Hamas founder on your side.
Just admit it joe. You hate conservatives. You hate Christians. And the only reason you want to ride this boat is.. I don't know. Tell me why. Tell me why it's so important to you to dig up every piece of crap you can find to support a religion whose practitioners, for the most part, are going to have less tolerance for you than the one you already can't stand.
Before you start arguing that point, get off your bottom and get over to the birthplaces of islam and tell them what you think.
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