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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 2:33:52 AM   
Focus50


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If I picked a quiet street to live in and valued that, I'd be pissed about any party. My next door neighbors are both at least in their fifties and when they party, I can frikkin' hear it. When I was 16 I had to drive 40+ folks home sometimes from my parent's parties - to be fair they were not sloppy drunk by any means, just everyone (including myself) prefered me driving them.

Let's not pretend that the partying ends at 30.


Probably the worst part is when the 40/50/60yo's spread the word via text and social networking sites to all and sundry and suddenly you have hundreds of drunken, immature geriatrics gate-crashing, fighting and generally trashing the entire neighbourhood....

Lol, I'm in stereotype heaven....

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 2:53:20 AM   
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Well that was all too predictable....

Yeah, LOTS of shameless generalisations



No shit Sherlock


You do realise, Watson, that deliberately shortening the quote to alter the context affectively means they're now your words, not mine?

Or do you just like hearing yourself talk (albeit edit et al)?

Focus.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 6:38:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		If it makes you happy to trash people you don't know, go for it. I never did that as a teen nor did I see any of my friends do it. We were raised to not attend parties we weren't invited to. Nor, for that matter, did I, or my friends, do it as college students. We still believe that if you weren't invited, you don't go and you should arrive with some sort of token because nobody likes guests with greedy, outstretched fingers.

Truly... we're a menace.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 7:09:22 AM   
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You do realise, Watson, that deliberately shortening the quote to alter the context affectively means they're now your words, not mine?

Or do you just like hearing yourself talk (albeit edit et al)?

Focus.


If that was my game I'd increase the font size of my replies and make them a different colour, to make sure no-one missed my pearls of wisdom.

Fortunately, I'm not that insecure.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 7:11:25 AM   
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If it makes you happy to trash people you don't know, go for it. I never did that as a teen nor did I see any of my friends do it. We were raised to not attend parties we weren't invited to. Nor, for that matter, did I, or my friends, do it as college students. We still believe that if you weren't invited, you don't go and you should arrive with some sort of token because nobody likes guests with greedy, outstretched fingers.


Yeah but be fair - he's Australian

(sorry Focus - love the place and the people, but couldn't resist a national stereotype - see? It's catching!)

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 7:33:28 AM   
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Yeah but be fair - he's Australian

(sorry Focus - love the place and the people, but couldn't resist a national stereotype - see? It's catching!)


That's true. The only Australian I've known in person was a bitch who befriended me, broke my friend's heart and left early without ever contacting us. Obviously all Australian women are evil wretches!

(BTW - she was over 30, for the record! )

Maybe the issue isn't teens but the country... That said, I still wanna visit someday.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 7:47:59 AM   
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Yeah but be fair - he's Australian

(sorry Focus - love the place and the people, but couldn't resist a national stereotype - see? It's catching!)


That's true. The only Australian I've known in person was a bitch who befriended me, broke my friend's heart and left early without ever contacting us. Obviously all Australian women are evil wretches!

(BTW - she was over 30, for the record! )

Maybe the issue isn't teens but the country... That said, I still wanna visit someday.


You should definitely go one day – it’s a staggeringly beautiful, varied and gloriously uproarious country. If cooking and food are your thing (as they are mine) you’ll find some of the best ingredients, quality-wise, anywhere in the world, and the wines are a match. It’s warm, sunny, with a sort of “seaside” feel to many parts (as most of the conurbations are around the edges, near the sea, rather than inland, where it tends to be a tougher land), and if you travel to the interior you'll find a rugged landscape the beauty of which will make you weep. At night in the bush the lack of light-pollution means you can cheerfully walk about by starlight, once your eyes have adjusted, and if you can’t have fun in Australia then there’s something wrong with you.

The people are brash, bold, often blinkered, sometimes somewhat ignorant, but fundamentally good natured, kind and above all fair folk, with a great degree of self-sufficiency to them – they take others as they find them and when I suffered an emergency in a more remote area (of the country, not my body) the kindness and concern of ordinary people around me was delightful to observe, and most gratefully received – usually, tough places like the Aussie interior breed fairly hard-hearted folk, but I found the average Aussie to be a very kindly person, and time spent in their company is generally huge fun. In fact "come to Aus - it's bloody fun!" should be their national slogan.

The cities are bright, brash, lively places, and some of them (Melbourne stands out in my opinion) are filled with a similarly lively culture and love of the arts – it’s simply not true to describe Australia as a cultural wasteland – that may once have been the case, but these days they have an affection for, and support of, artistic endeavour in many forms.

I spent a year and a half there when I was younger and while I think I prefer Italy and parts of France I would certainly recommend it wholeheartedly to anyone as “one of those places you should have at the top of your list to see before you die”. Above all, being there is an experience. Sometimes a rollercoaster of a one, but almost never dull.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 10:08:14 AM   
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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 10:32:55 AM   
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"Back when I was your age, the dirt was newer."

<waves hand around forum>

I remember when all this was fields.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 11:19:54 AM   
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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/20/2010 11:59:48 AM   
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Son, I still remember when we had to painstakingly uproot all the tree stumps out of those fields.
Reminiscent pause. A gaze into the distance.

Most of the men from our village and up to three villages over ~=Overbearing hand wave= till the border ~=Implied indignation at the foreigners=, all came here with their mares and tweed ropes.
 
And all their wives or wives-to-be would bring them rye bread, a touch of apple cider wine and water to quench all their thirsts.

Strange, almost devious eye twinkle followed by another overdrawn sigh.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 2:37:12 AM   
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If it makes you happy to trash people you don't know, go for it. I never did that as a teen nor did I see any of my friends do it. We were raised to not attend parties we weren't invited to. Nor, for that matter, did I, or my friends, do it as college students. We still believe that if you weren't invited, you don't go and you should arrive with some sort of token because nobody likes guests with greedy, outstretched fingers.

Truly... we're a menace.


And I never did such things as a teenager.....

So, you're point is that "ME generation" teenagers can't be doing it, either?

Focus.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 2:40:34 AM   
Focus50


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You do realise, Watson, that deliberately shortening the quote to alter the context affectively means they're now your words, not mine?

Or do you just like hearing yourself talk (albeit edit et al)?

Focus.


If that was my game I'd increase the font size of my replies and make them a different colour, to make sure no-one missed my pearls of wisdom.

Fortunately, I'm not that insecure.


I see; getting all defensive and lashing out in petty ways - that's not signs of insecurity?

Got it.

Focus.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 2:58:39 AM   
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Shouldn't we just be happy that BDSM as a lifestyle and/or interest isn't dying off instead it's drawing in new blood?

-Geeky

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 3:05:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that Aquatic is merely implying that not ALL teens and younger people are as immature as people think.

Just as "ALL Generation" teenagers are all different with different levels of individual maturity.

It is unfair for those that are not immature little gits (I name them such because I've known plenty) to be placed in the same category as those who cause trouble. Just as it is blind to place ALL elderly people in the same category as being wise and learned, as there are many who are just as immature as the immature little gits among the teenagers.

Not all people are the same, and as such, should all be looked at with the potential for respect (not SHOWN respect, just courtesy - note that I say potential) until they prove that they are undeserving of those sentiments. No one expects anyone to submit to or Dominate a person who is outside of their interests - as I am not interested in subbing to a Dom who is as old as my mother, neither is Master interested in being Dominant over someone who is as old as his mother - nor would he ever expect any woman TO submit to him who was not interested in him, due to age, looks, personality, or otherwise.

Age often points to being more learned, but it's what the people do with that knowledge that makes them wise and respectable. If they throw that knowledge away, no matter what their age, what gives them the right to demand anything? If a person stops learning and growing, old age or not, what makes them wise when they are no longer open to the world around them?

While Wisdom is often considered an accumulation of knowledge, it is ALSO considered " the ability or result of an ability to think and act utilizing knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight" (I pulled that from an online dictionary, thus the quotes, I wanted to make sure *I* even understood the definition clearly before writing this), thus if a person refuses to learn from their experiences - no matter how many experiences they've had - how does that make them wise?

If a person who may be young, DOES use what knowledge is presented to them, is able to utilize their knowledge, to learn from their experiences, to understand and learn from new knowledge, would that not make them wiser than one that is older who cannot?

So why be unfair to those that have learned, or turn a blind eye that knowledge does not *always* beget wisdom? Why not just look at the individual, and if they happen to be young and stupid, tell them such. If they happen to be old and stupid, tell THEM such. If they happen to be young and wise in what they have learned, accept such. If they happen to be old and wise in what they have learned, accept such. To use sweeping generalities is to insult those that do not fall into those generalities.

It is, obviously, always good to teach the younger generations what they need to know, but I don't feel that they (including me, since I'm young) should ever be insulted without first earning the insult. If a youth does not know a thing, teach them, and if they learn from it then they are wise. If a youth knows something you do not know, let them teach you what they know, and if you learn from it then you are wise.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 4:37:51 AM   
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I find it hilarious that within a subculture that is supposed to embrace all, we find ways to create castes within it.

Shouldn't we just be happy that BDSM as a lifestyle and/or interest isn't dying off instead it's drawing in new blood?

-Geeky



I've seen no rule book. Especially no rule book that says ANYthing about 'embracing all. There are a great number of things that other kinky people accept as okay, that I do not embrace and in fact, would whole heartedly fight against, should it be within my space of influence.

I do not care that BDSM draws in new people. I am quite certain that BDSM has been around since long before it was labeled as such and would be around long after there was some cute little subculture. It is part of human nature.

As for the topic of the thread. Yay for teens and 20something people!! I am 48 and there are days I would like to smack every person I meet between the ages of 30 and 70. Given the behaviour of most of the people I know within that age range the only thing they have is attitude that somehow their advancing years makes them better, wiser, more self aware. Yet their behaviour often shows otherwise.

Myself, I am beginning to think the arrogance stems from a lot of self hate. They look at their middle aged, squishy bodies, the dick that works less, the boobs that sag to their belly buttons, the ass that gets stuck in the lawn chair, the pills they need and then look over at the youth in anger. To make sense of it all, they try to reason that all they've gained is worth the cost of all they've lost. Then, they belittle the less experienced, the younger and more rash. It makes them feel better about themselves and all that they do not want to examine in the mirror.

Give me a room full of 20something, inexperienced, exhuberant people any day over the wiser, more experienced, arrogant assholes. At least I will have laughed.............. and been the first one to toddle off to bed.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 9:25:49 AM   
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It makes them feel better about themselves and all that they do not want to examine in the mirror.
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If it makes you happy to trash people you don't know, go for it. I never did that as a teen nor did I see any of my friends do it. We were raised to not attend parties we weren't invited to. Nor, for that matter, did I, or my friends, do it as college students. We still believe that if you weren't invited, you don't go and you should arrive with some sort of token because nobody likes guests with greedy, outstretched fingers.

Truly... we're a menace.


And I never did such things as a teenager.....

So, you're point is that "ME generation" teenagers can't be doing it, either?

Focus.


No - my point is that you are painting all of us with the same brush and not allowing for the fact that we are exactly like  your and your generation.

Some of us assholes. Some of us are sweethearts. Some of us are arrogant. Some of us are humble. You are trashing thousands and thousands of people because they happen to be in a certain demographic.

I wouldn't dream of calling all 40-50 year old men lewd, disgusting assholes because some of them make cat calls or try to take advantage of the 'fresh meat' when a young woman steps into a kink event. Why paint all youth so terribly because of some? Some women are catty bitches who have stabbed me in the back - that doesn't mean everything with a vagina is out to get me.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 9:46:08 AM   
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I find it hilarious that within a subculture that is supposed to embrace all, we find ways to create castes within it.

Shouldn't we just be happy that BDSM as a lifestyle and/or interest isn't dying off instead it's drawing in new blood?

-Geeky

I'm not going to quote LaT here, but some of her comments go very much along the lines of how I feel about this.  The drawing in of "new blood" honestly doesn't matter one bit to Me.  Such new blood doesn't effect Me one way or the other.  I'm not searching for a partner in the new blood category and there are more than enough people involved in BDSM to suit My needs.  Even if no new topping techniques came into the picture, I'd still have more than enough to keep Me on the learning curve for the rest of My days.  The vested interest just isn't there for Me.  If new people come in and become active in all of this, that's great, but them getting their kink on doesn't change what I'm doing at all.

As for the "embrace all"......  I don't know where people get that, but it's a myth.  I can promise you that there are situations, activities, and people that if I came across them at a function I was attending, I would get up and walk My ass out of the door.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 9:51:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see the problem even if us young people are immature, unwise and slightly irresponsible...

It's not like you can suddenly decide to not have young people anymore.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/21/2010 11:37:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Twoshoes, the problem is that those of us that are not so young, quite often choose to ignore the fact that we are often immature, unwise and more than slightly irresponsible, also.

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