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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Why the silly rifle rhetoric?

I think he's made it pretty clear that it's not something he would look forward to nor has he said he would engage..As far as I can tell he's just making observations.

And Icarys, this is the very root of the problem.

They are not listening, and what they hear, they incorrectly interpret.

How can is it even possible to get across to them the concerns?

It does not bode well for the future, methinks.

Firm

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look at that placid federal park just outside your barred asylum window.......

enumerated? 

was my answer, all that was necessary for any reasonable man.



You may see the basis of the SCOTUS ruling in Roe v. Wade on the constitutions enumerations of rights.

What they fundamentally said, and Roe v. Wade is available, is that the enumeration of rights in the constituion does not construe deny or disparage others retained by the people (the government is the people).

So now you claim there are no individual rights?  Just priviledges handed to you by the democracy huh?

The government is NOT the people, the people CREATED the government.

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bouviers law dictionary:

PEOPLE. A state: as, the people of the state of New York. A nation In Its collective and political capacity. 4 Term 783. See U. S. v. Qulncy, 6 Pet. (U. S.) 467, 8 L. Ed. 458. The aggregate or mass of the individuals who constitute the state. Solon v. State, 54 Tex. Cr. R. 261, 114 S. W. 349.
Thats the plural version...

In neutrality laws, a government recognized by the United States. The Three Friends, 78 Fed. 175. "People of the county" and "the county" may be regarded as Interchangeable. St Louis County Ct. v. Grlswold, 58 Mo. 175.
When the term the people Is made use of in constitutional law or discussions, it is often the case that those only are intended who have a share In the government through being clothed with the elective franchise. Thus, the people elect delegates to a constitutional convention; the people choose the officers under the constitution, and so on.' For these and similar purposes, the electors, though constituting but a small minority of the whole body of the community, nevertheless act for all, and, as being for the time the representatives of sovereignty, they are considered and spoken of as the sovereign people. But in all the enumerations and guaranties of rights the whole people are intended, because the rights of all are equal, and are meant to be equally protected; Cooley, Const (2d Ed.) .40, 267; Cooley, Const. L. 278.
Sovereign people. Every citizen is one of this people, and a constituent member of the sovereignty; Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. (U. S.) 393, 15 L. Ed, 691; it includes registered voters as well as tax payers; In re Incurring State Debts, 19 R. I. 610, 37 Atl. 14.
Thats the singular version...

Every citizen sounds pretty singular to me!
you wanna argue with bouviers law dictionary be my guest, it is the favorite of the supreme court FWIW.




Now, to waltz ahead to your first wait a minute, I will point out that the SCOTUS recently pretty much ruled that a corporation was a person.
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. 

Yeh so what?  Nothing new there its been that way for well over 1000 years.

Next, is that fact that several cases (and this is not an exhaustive list) :

Marbury v. Madison
McCulloch v. Maryland
Gibbons v. Ogden

and others which come to say that the government has powers not enumerated. 

Proving the usurpation of power thank you very much!

so, since someone makes an unfounded claim that there are 17 and only 17 rights that are enumerated and therefore the law of the land, it falls to me to prove them wrong, which anyone knows on the street knows for a fact is not the case in the constitution or american law..............

Nope, now you and 0 have it backwards. 

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Do you have the slightest clue how many people in the States actually supported the War of Independence from Great Britian?  How many remained Tories?

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Do you have the slightest clue how many people in the States actually supported the War of Independence from Great Britian?  How many remained Tories?

Around 15/20% Of the American population fought for the Loyalists. I seem to remember reading some 45 % of the population supported the Revolution. After the war some 70,000 plus loyalists left America, most for other colonies. Many of the British soldiers decided to stay in America, I am unsure of the number though.

What gets me is most of you on the right are saying if we dont get the government we want, we will have a revolution. Sounds a bit "Third world" to me, the one thing it isnt, is democratic.

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Do you have the slightest clue how many people in the States actually supported the War of Independence from Great Britian?  How many remained Tories?

Around 15/20% Of the American population fought for the Loyalists. I seem to remember reading some 45 % of the population supported the Revolution. After the war some 70,000 plus loyalists left America, most for other colonies. Many of the British soldiers decided to stay in America, I am unsure of the number though.

What gets me is most of you on the right are saying if we dont get the government we want, we will have a revolution. Sounds a bit "Third world" to me, the one thing it isnt, is democratic.

A freaken limey(apologies polite one...no offence meant) and he gets is....meanwhile our own erstwhile patriotic tea bag dip shits think that threatening the very institutions they hold dear is the essence of patriotism.

The essense and root of patriot is parens patrae meaning state as parent, whats to hold dear about that?  I mean if you are an adult?

The Constitution and the Bill of Rights still remain....

Yeh they aint nothing but a god damn piece of paper!  ~G W Bush

and they hint at armed revolt....ask them their grievences and they complain about taxes,

How about everyone send them to you eh?

rail against the overreaching powers of the Fed and long for the good old days.

You mean before the usurpation of government?

They even dust off that old canard(used once before if I recall) States Rights.

Oh thats right they dont have any do they?

Ask them what rights have been abridged.....

1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th, need more?

Ask them when they were denied due proccess....

Every fucking traffic ticket, tax cases, zoning, ordinances and on and on and on!

Whats the last amendment you or your uncle or you grand father or great great grand father VOTED ON?

Ask them when they were last barred from voting.....

When voter fraud became an acceptable in the general elections,

when the supreme decided who the president would be.

Ask them anything of substance.....and all they can come back with is a general feeling of discontent...and than blithley tell you that the conditions for the insurrection are not quite right yet.And therein lies the threat ,the implication that there is a right way to vote and failure to do so might just force a crisis.