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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/17/2010 8:25:01 AM

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shrimp diablo (or diavlo if you will).................so there is some monkey business going on in the realms of principalities and powers and heaven and hell and..........

Ok, now I'm even more boggled! A mnottertail post that doesn't reference the search for anal or oral sex?

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/17/2010 8:41:28 AM

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shrimp diablo (or diavlo if you will).................so there is some monkey business going on in the realms of principalities and powers and heaven and hell and..........

Ok, now I'm even more boggled! A mnottertail post that doesn't reference the search for anal or oral sex?

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/17/2010 2:00:44 PM

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God's in no hurry, and he likes people to hear him coming, so a Harley is just perfect.

OK, I said I was going to stop but I can't let this one go.

How in the world do you guys find Harleys loud as compared to the high pitched whine of crotch-rockets?

It's the sweet sound of various nuts and bolts vibrating off of a bike frame and bouncing into the bodywork of oncoming traffic.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 5:10:42 AM

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Potato, potato, potato, potato, potato, potato, potato, potato, ROAR

Far better than;

Weeee, weeee, weeee, weeee, WEEEEEEE

Just got to love a V twin

It's not about speed, it's about style, why be in such a hurry to the end of your life, for it will come soon enough in it's own time, so relax and breathe easy along the way.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 5:22:39 AM

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But as to atheists, why should I have any thoughts towards or against them, for me, they hold the same space as the believers in that they chosen not to believe where the believers have chosen to believe. I support anyones right to believe or not, for it is their own choice and it affects me not one bit

But to err on the side of atheists, I don't know because I am not an atheist, but perhaps they can see our future has taken root in the past so to speak,belief has lead to too much bloodshed in our past and is continuing in our present and will be the future if we don't get a grip.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 5:32:00 AM

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God's in no hurry, and he likes people to hear him coming, so a Harley is just perfect.

OK, I said I was going to stop but I can't let this one go.

How in the world do you guys find Harleys loud as compared to the high pitched whine of crotch-rockets?

It's the sweet sound of various nuts and bolts vibrating off of a bike frame and bouncing into the bodywork of oncoming traffic.

Well, let me ask you something, I see antique Harleys still being ridden on a daily basis.

I've seen some from the '20's and '30's still on the road.

Can you point out an example of your beloved Jap crap that lasts beyond ten years?

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 6:22:58 AM

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And that is it, isn't it, Harley says something that lasts, an unstressed lazy motor that just keeps on going, whereas high revving low capacity motors wear out fast and undoubtedly just add to the pollution problems due to the rapid rate of wear.

But the Japanese and now Far Eastern ideal, make it fast, make it cheap and make it so it has a finite lifespan to ensure future sales. Not very ecological in the process, yet more examples of a wasteful society.

But what is the way forward for Jap crap and Harley are perfect examples of two ideals, the wasteful society and the make it last society, what is ultimately good for people is not always good for commerce and you know that from watching your own industry die, as we also have.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 1:10:55 PM

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Like I said in the other thread: Antique Collectors.

Dudes, technology is meant to move with the times. Antique collecting is super and all, but I want a something fast and cheap. I'm not interested in doing the time-warp (again).

I'm not going to talk bikes in this thread any more. Promise.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 1:44:14 PM

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"Please show me where precisely, in the quotes you cited, I am saying anything whatsoever about relying on our private experience for a scientifically accurate picture of the objective "world around us," "

Kirata,
You asked the question "Would you be willing to consider your own personal direct experience to be evidence?". I merely pointed out that our personal direct experience is not always reliable and that is why there are constraints on what qualifies as evidence.

"Personally, I don't see a correlation between atheism and imagination"

CallaFirestormBW,
Except religion requires a complete lack of imagination.

"It's a matter of record that God prefers donkeys."

I dunno, Thor had a cariot, probably had horses for that. Hindus have all kinds of rides.

"But as to atheists, why should I have any thoughts towards or against them, for me, they hold the same space as the believers in that they chosen not to believe where the believers have chosen to believe."

Atheists do not to believe in gods for the same reason any sane adult does not believe in santa. Atheists and believers do not occupy the same space, more like opposites.

"But to err on the side of atheists, I don't know because I am not an atheist, but perhaps they can see our future has taken root in the past so to speak,belief has lead to too much bloodshed in our past and is continuing in our present and will be the future if we don't get a grip. "

Yes, religion is the easiest way to get people to commit atrocities, but that is not why atheists do not believe in gods. Atheists do not believe in gods because all gods are simplistic, not devine. They are all created out of our fear, ignorance and desire, to satisfy our psychological needs. Quite simply, no god is believable.

"And that is it, isn't it, Harley says something that lasts, an unstressed lazy motor that just keeps on going, whereas high revving low capacity motors wear out fast and undoubtedly just add to the pollution problems due to the rapid rate of wear.

But the Japanese and now Far Eastern ideal, make it fast, make it cheap and make it so it has a finite lifespan to ensure future sales. Not very ecological in the process, yet more examples of a wasteful society.

But what is the way forward for Jap crap and Harley are perfect examples of two ideals, the wasteful society and the make it last society"

All donorcycles end up the same way, so who cares if the donor rides a Harley or not?
But when it comes to quality, reliability and effeciency, only an American would buy American over Japanese. Japan has a reputation for quality, reliability and efficiency that America could only dream about. As for wasteful societies, America leads the world in that department.
Harley's have an image, and the type of noise that gives the attention some people crave.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 1:52:19 PM

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Atheists do not to believe in gods for the same reason any sane adult does not believe in santa. Atheists and believers do not occupy the same space, more like opposites.

~chuckles

a bit heavy on the criticism of adults, arent you? Many adults believe in many things. Glad to know you are the ultimate authority on what is sane and what is not.

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Yes, religion is the easiest way to get people to commit atrocities, but that is not why atheists do not believe in gods. Atheists do not believe in gods because all gods are simplistic, not devine. They are all created out of our fear, ignorance and desire, to satisfy our psychological needs. Quite simply, no god is believable

In your opinion. You would do good to remember to add those words sometimes. You are coming across as no better than the holier-than-thou-sunday-roller. In other words, you are acting just like those you proclaim to have no sanity.

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But the Japanese and now Far Eastern ideal, make it fast, make it cheap and make it so it has a finite lifespan to ensure future sales. Not very ecological in the process, yet more examples of a wasteful society.

Amazing how fast and cheap never make it in the long run.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 1:55:22 PM

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And that is it, isn't it, Harley says something that lasts, an unstressed lazy motor that just keeps on going, whereas high revving low capacity motors wear out fast and undoubtedly just add to the pollution problems due to the rapid rate of wear.

Having ridden and worked on both sorts of bike (privately, and for dealers), as well as Italian machines too, I can tell you that your statement is 100% incorrect. Harleys are frequently woefully unreliable, and don't tend to last longer in mileage terms than Japanese bikes (quite the reverse in fact). They do tend to do fewer miles though, which can make it seem as if they last longer. I've seen Evo and earlier engines that were shot at 10,000 miles (requiring massive warranty work), and the amount of warranty work required to keep some Harley dealers in business is beyond belief; at one time, at a central London HD dealership, fully a third of their workshop time was spent on warranty work alone - part of the problem is their ancient design, and part is the fact that Harley's manufacturing processes aren't anywhere near Japanese industry practice – the Japanese’ materials technology, assembly processes, machining tolerances and quality control are orders of magnitude better than HD, and even their older, less powerful designs (as used on Japanese custom and commuter bikes) are simply streets ahead.

In addition most Japanese engines are not only durable, but (with competent maintenance) will retain their performance over their entire engine lifetime - I've ridden Japanese litrebikes that have done 100,000+ and 150,000+ miles and they were in superb shape when we opened them up. Even more impressive was the fact that repeated dyno runs showed they’d lost very little power over time, and compression and leak tests showed the bores & rings were fine, as were the compressions, and ditto the valves and valve seats. It’s almost unheard of for Japanese litrebike engines to blow up these days, and when they do it’s usually the result of incompetent maintenance – one issue Japanese bikes do have is that their complexity does not lend itself to cack-handed amateur maintenance; if someone’s idea of a toolkit is a Birmingham Spanner (hammer) then they’re going to ruin their bike in short order.

Put simply, I'm afraid you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

As I've said previously I really don't care what bikes people ride - I'm more keen that they ride, and riding anything is good. But I can see that, once again, the blinkers are on for some people so, like hertz, I'll not be bothering to correct your errors again in this thread.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 1:55:46 PM

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Amazing how fast and cheap never make it in the long run.

Fat and slow can't run. Not without being violently sick.

damn, damn - suckered in...

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 2:22:48 PM

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What do I know, I have a Chinese bike, which is believed to be a Suzuki clone ;

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 2:44:04 PM

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What do I know, I have a Chinese bike, which is believed to be a Suzuki clone ;

Oh I like the look of that! Very black (which is a proper colour for a bike). Nice.

How have you found the reliability? How many miles have you done on it so far?

They're (Chinese) about the only bikes I haven't worked on and I hear some great stuff about them and some horror stories. The larger capacity road-biased stuff seems to hold together ok (although I hear poor finish is an issue, thought the mechanicals seem ok), but the smaller capacity (50-125cc) stuff seems to sometimes fly apart at the drop of a hat, and sometimes go on forever. How's yours done?

One thing I do know is the Chinese are amazingly fast at improving their processes and products; I have a mate who's an expert on bike safety equipment -he was called in to a Chinese helmet plant to act as a consultant (and a lot of even "name" lids are now made in China) and give his opinion on their work and plant. It was all very modern stuff (the plant), and he was impressed, but found maybe a couple of dozen things "not quite right" as he walked around and checked. So he held a briefing and ran through the most important ones with management and senior shop-floor workers.

When he came back a month later, every single thing he'd pointed out, (even casually or non-formally, such as an off-the-cuff verbal comment) had been worked through, acted upon, changes implemented, and sorted. He was, frankly, gobsmacked.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 3:03:02 PM

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It has done 4k miles so far and is superbly reliable, and from a pal who runs a thundercat his verdict is it seems to have more power than he remembers for such a small bike, but then I have been at it. I got it as a non running wreck from a pillock who tested the tyres too far and over the course of last winter I totally rebuilt it, adding my own touches here and there like stainless steel fixings to replace the rusty loose things that had not yet rattled out and an aviation grade wiring loom I made myself, ( ex aircraft technician) and some other mods to reliability and security the extra power my pal I think recognised was the wrapped exhaust and iridium plug, but the engine has received off the shelf Suzuki parts, it being loosely a cross between several Suzuki motors, I suspect the best aspects of them all in this one engine, which is a Chinese design. Mine is an '07 model known fr that rattle apart unreliability, but that is countered now, this thing is bang on, all to do now is re-anodise the forks and bars to a nice fiery red to match the rear spring. A chinese person with links to QuingQi I talk with regards these bikes has already expressed an interest in featuring mine on behalf of the company.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 3:08:35 PM

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Dudes, technology is meant to move with the times. Antique collecting is super and all, but I want a something fast and cheap.

There's the key word.

Run it for a couple years and throw it into the landfill.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 3:17:06 PM

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Nope, nothing is that far gone, for a rat bike enthusiast, mad max here we come.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 3:21:56 PM

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It has done 4k miles so far and is superbly reliable, and from a pal who runs a thundercat his verdict is it seems to have more power than he remembers for such a small bike, but then I have been at it. I got it as a non running wreck from a pillock who tested the tyres too far and over the course of last winter I totally rebuilt it, adding my own touches here and there like stainless steel fixings to replace the rusty loose things that had not yet rattled out and an aviation grade wiring loom I made myself, ( ex aircraft technician) and some other mods to reliability and security the extra power my pal I think recognised was the wrapped exhaust and iridium plug, but the engine has received off the shelf Suzuki parts, it being loosely a cross between several Suzuki motors, I suspect the best aspects of them all in this one engine, which is a Chinese design. Mine is an '07 model known fr that rattle apart unreliability, but that is countered now, this thing is bang on, all to do now is re-anodise the forks and bars to a nice fiery red to match the rear spring. A chinese person with links to QuingQi I talk with regards these bikes has already expressed an interest in featuring mine on behalf of the company.

Smashing stuff. I love modified machines. In fact, after running modded and heavily modded my last 3 bikes I wouldn't run a stock bike again, ever.

Just one thing, which I'm pretty sure you know, but I'd feel a bastard if I didn't mention it - the stainless fixings - you're not using them on anything in the brake or rotor department are you? Only SS is verboten for brake & rotor use, due to shear & fracture issues. I'm sure you know that, as I said, but safest to say now eh.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 3:36:51 PM

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Nope, I am very aware of the strength of stainless, it is only on non load bearing fixings, anything that is safety orientated I have stuck with stock, but rust proofed all the same. And of rustproofed fixing and others, they have been prepared so they do not shear or round off on removal. Oh and frame has been beed blasted, cold galvanised and painted with a sort of mastic paint where the weather will ht it most, but the frame has been rust roofed inside. the bike I have built it for durability rather than style, the gearing is low for hill work, not speed as here it is all hills. But this thing is cheap to run, 125mpg, a good thing to have, but it is locked in the shed now as I am out of money, and seeking to purchase a noddy van next.

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RE: What do you think of Aetheists? - 11/18/2010 3:46:30 PM

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What the hell is a noddy van?

And did anyone notice we seriously hijacked a thread about atheists by talking about motorcycles?

Yes, I am the guilty party that started it, but we can move it back to the motorcycle thread where it belongs?

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