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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 6:42:46 AM   
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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 10:23:08 AM   
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Oh FFS


WTF?

If you don't want advice, don't ask for it.

Be well.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 11:33:23 AM   
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Oh FFS


WTF?

If you don't want advice, don't ask for it.

Be well.



I was asking for advice on how to keep it clean, not some paranoid idiot who possibly provoked a dog into biting him and sees an accident as a public danger.

I think you should discuss your problems with your shrink, and you can stick your rabies rant where the sun doesn't shine, I understand you never got out of Hicksville, but there are more places on the planet and as it happens one of them is the UK, where we do not have rabies.

Btw shouldn't you be doing something useful? Like playing with yourself or being on a rampage against dangerous dogs.

I wasn't aware that by asking for advise it means I have to take it from people who are blatantly unqualified and insane. "Being on top of it" is the nicest euphemism I heard for being a dog hater...

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 11:52:42 AM   
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The situation was the same as yours, and here it's a simple matter of law.

Sorry you view the world as you do. Life is far nicer.

That's enough. Enjoy yourself.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 2:23:23 PM   
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The situation was the same as yours, and here it's a simple matter of law.

Sorry you view the world as you do. Life is far nicer.

That's enough. Enjoy yourself.



Sorry that you are unable to take responsibility for your own actions, aren't you supposed to be smarter than a dog or is that wishful thinking? I guess it is. If you can live with yourself for endangering a creature due to a mistake you made, your conscience is possibly not very developed - oh but you are a male dominant, so of course it can't have been your fault... Luckily I know quite a few male dominants who have a conscience and I won't slander them by liking you to them...

Hope the poor bulldog had all shots, wouldn't want to catch it anything nasty

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 3:59:48 PM   
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You see, none of that is true. It's a story you made up.

As I already told you, the situation was similar.

I'm sorry you have such venom over this. I've no idea why.

But I don't see much point in belaboring the misunderstanding.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 7:42:41 PM   
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I'm sorry you have such venom over this. I've no idea why.




I think an astute person would have read her last post where she COULD have lost her own dog who she loves immensely and who is not a bad dog over a system that automatically blames the animal. The only reason it sounds like it didn't happen was the myriad of witnesses who were around. So yes she is going to be a little more vocal when people fail to realize their own responsibility in a situation because she knows just what that can bring about. Oftentimes when people haven't lived it themselves they fail to realize the consequences of what they perceive are harmless actions and that thought really needs to be put into it prior to possibly causing an immense amount of heartache and pain to someone else.

Not to mention people were bringing in every worst case scenario into her question trying to scare the crap out of anyone. I saw the pic and it looked more surface wound then anything. Based on her initial post it sounded like more then anything she just needed help in calming down because the whole thing freaked her out a little and she confirmed that herself later on. If people had just read what she wrote lots of this other stuff would have been avoided.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 9:36:12 PM   
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All--
Just a couple points of clarification.....  my bureau deals with animal bites--mostly dogs--on a regular basis.
A few things to know:
1. LadyConstanze is correct about rabies in the UK. While not 100% non-existent, it is extremely rare, and when it does surface, it's often when a foreigner incubates it/brings it in.  Rabies in the United States (across the pond) is more common--and so dog bites in the USA are a very different situation than dog bites in the UK.

2. Those of you who posted about bacteria and infection are also correct--dog bites are highly prone to infection, and oral antibiotics are typically prescribed if the wound is deep.  Dog bites often must be x-rayed and scanned (to rule out fractures, torn ligaments, tendons, nerve damage etc) and often must be irrigated and cleaned.  Topical ointments won't do the trick for a deep bite.  It's not the size of the bite that's the issue, it's the depth. Even small, seemingly superficial wounds can wreck havoc if they get infected--she's aware of what to look for.... and from what I've read/heard from her, she's looking after herself.  LadyConstanze has already said that she's seeing a physician if it worsens, and that's fully appropriate.

3. Laws:  the laws on dog bites not only vary from Country to Country, but also State to State here in the US, and the laws vary greatly jurisdiction by jurisdiction.  (city/county by county)  The actions taken by local animal control authorities are rather broad and diverse, and what may apply to one city is not applicable to another.  They run the gamut from civil action against the owner and fines to placing the dog in quarantine for observation and euthanasia for "repeat offenders."  It is not unusual at all for dog owners to conceal the truth from investigators, because they don't want their dog to be taken away.  Many dog bites go unreported for days until the victim reluctantly comes to the hospital when the infection worsens.

Dog bites are often very emotionally volatile situations.  The owners of the dogs are as upset as the person who is bitten.  No animal lover wants to see an owner and pet separated, which is typically what happens with a bite incident (even if its a temporary separation).  Once a dog bite is reported, most authorities have a duty to act becuase a "potentially dangerous dog" is considered a public threat until proven otherwise.



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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 10:29:26 PM   
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I haven't read page two. I get the impression that the finger may be swollen due to a bruise of the bone, like a lump on one's head when one gets hit. It may take one or two weeks for such a lump to diminish. As long as there is no infection, as long as the finger does not start to throb, as long as she feels physically fit, it will pass, I expect. But if there is, then a physician ought to attend. It will be best if someone also checks up on her once or twice per day, just to ensure she is conscious and able to take care of herself.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/4/2010 11:38:33 PM   
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Hi Rule
Bones don't "bruise" the way you've described--you can bruise the marrow within a bone (this is typically a sports related injury, not blunt force trauma)....or you can get a hematoma.  The bump on the head is actually a hematoma--its pooled blood.  when you strike a hard surface of your body...like your head, face, any "bone", the blood pools under the skin between the skin and bone, and having nowhere else to go, it raises or swells. 

With the case of dog bites, there are several potential causes for swelling.  In addition to infection, the crushing ability of dogs' teeth (depending on the breed, the nature of the bite, depth of bite etc.) can create significant damage to the tissues and connective tissues underneath, causing swelling.

But let's put it in perspective here: It's a small bite on the finger not a gangrenous limb here--she's made it clear that she is fully capable of taking care of herself--if it starts to get infected, she'll know.  A stranger from CollarMe contacting her twice a day to see if she's conscious is excessive.  She can call her private physician if she needs assistance.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 3:44:08 AM   
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OMG, I am fully conscious, there is no sign of any infection, a slight swelling of the bone not anywhere near where the broken skin is, the size of a pea (well now more the size of lentil and a bit discoloured as bruises tend to be) which was simply the pressure, you bang a bone and it swells a bit, the cut itself is healing super nicely with no sign of infection, each day I can bend the finger a bit more, the scab on it and the bruise stops me from fully bending it

I'm not a zombie who's shedding limbs all over the place, my partner would drag me to the ER if there was a sign of infection or even a slight fever.

In fact it is healing nicely, here's a picture I've just taken with the mobile:

http://i51.tinypic.com/selk7o.jpg

Sorry if I caused any distress, I first panicked a bit due to the fact that it was bleeding heavily (but then cuts on fingers tend to do that) and the bone was first swelling up (but after sticking the hand in a bag with ice-cubes the swelling went down), but since it happened on Thursday and today is Sunday, I would think it's healed from the way it looks.

Again, the dog didn't want to bite me, it was just my hand getting in the way, he let go the moment he realized he got a human, the cut happened because I instinctively pulled my hand back and scraped it against his sharp teeth. Would I not have pulled my hand back there most likely wouldn't have been broken skin.

I just wanted to know how to keep it clean because I actually expected a little bit of an infection, anybody who ever cut him or herself while cooking knows that there can be small infections even with the cleanest cut, when my cats play rough and scratch me a bit deeper, there sometimes is a bit of an infection. I'm pleasantly surprised that there is not even the tiniest bit of puss. The guy who owns the other dog gave me his vet in the meantime so I can check up myself that the dog is up on all the shots, it's the same vet as ours and I can do that tomorrow and offered to pay back but asked if he could pay back in several installments since he's been laid off from work, I suggested he buys the dog a muzzle instead and gets me a small glass of wine, no point in getting our vet bill and then something similar happens again because he can't afford a proper muzzle.

I must say I'm super pleasantly surprised, the Blue Cross (animal welfare charity) pays for shots for cats and dogs if the owners can't afford it, he's also going to ask them to pay for getting his dog neutered as male dogs do tend to calm down. The guy seems to be super nice and we discussed taking the dogs out together at a time and carefully introducing them under supervision and with his dog being muzzled first, his dog might then lose the fear of big black dogs and Kia might get over her fear of Staffies (for some odd reason Staffies always go for her, or the dogs who went for her so far were all Staffies) and it will do both of them good, especially since I noticed that my dog is a bit of a show off and she follows commands much better if there are other dogs around (maybe tries to impress them).

You know if a small bite means I gain a new friend who's animal lover enough to rescue an abused animal, maybe I ought to be bitten more often. It really turned out for the best and a small scar on my ring finger is hardly going to be disfigurement for life.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 4:47:31 AM   
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In fact it is healing nicely

Okay.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 5:10:16 AM   
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Sounds like all's well that ends well. It's truly amazing what can happen when folks get together to work things out instead of automaticly calling in 'the authorities' and half a dozen lawyers.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 5:45:51 AM   
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I always thought being a responsible adult includes articulating yourself and talking to people before jumping the gun and setting an legal movement in motion that you then can't stop and a simple thing gets blown out of proportion.

Somebody PMed me and told me to sue for compensation, seriously, for a small bite like that? No clue how much I would get but lawyers would get more, and I would think the money would be serious bad karma because it would involve a dog being killed.

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 5:56:49 AM   
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If the dog had been on a leash, like dogs are supposed to be when out of their yard, this "freak thing" wouldn't of occured. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the owner of the dog, and if it wasn't for the dog getting in trouble, for something that really isn't their fault THEY are not the one who said hey let me loose with out a leash, I'd say the humans deserve to get in trouble. My friend had her little dog just minding her own business with her, going for a walk, if I remember right and an unleashed pitbull came up and bit into Abbies leg and Abby had to go to the vet an it cost a bunch of money, an that's not counting the pain an suffering the poor dog went through.

The pitbull was put to sleep, and that's unfortunate, but it wouldn't of had to happen if dumbshit  owner put it on a leash to go out romping with it.

Now, on account of a dog biting a family member, because said person did things or created a situation they knew better, I side with the dog.

Edited to add I didn't know it was in a building and she walked in, but I still say owner is at fault, if there's any chance at all your dog could bite another patrons dog, you should take precautions to keep it from doing so..
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ETA: Since you don't know who the owner was you could theoretically and honestly tell them you don't know the dog. No one gets into trouble. I am more with you though. Freak things happen and are sometimes provoked by something out of the ordinary and I would hate for someone to lose their beloved pet over something that wasn't overly serious or life threatening to myself. Our dog bit my daughter who had her face in front of her fresh bone and there were other dogs around and my daughter knew better. We assume she thought my daughter was another dog trying to get her dang bone. We thought she needed stitches being on the face but the admittance nurse was honest and told me the dog will be put down and that stitches would likely leave more of a scar and letting it heal naturally would actually be better. No infection and it did heal very nicely. Years later the dog has never done anything like that much less even show aggression. It's not about an owner being irresponsible somethings...shit happens and dogs are dogs. Life threatening or serious enough...yes. Potentially dangerous animal...yes. Freak occurrence I'm just too nice to do that to someone especially if I could have done something to provoke it.


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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 6:26:04 AM   
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We never had Ginger around lil kids before, so I don't know if she doesn't like them, or what, but my friends 3 year old met Ginger, every thing was fine, introductions went well, food was shared, some kissing even, an then that evening, She's petting Ginger, nicely too, which is very impressive for a kid who's young, most lil ones mistake banging on the dog or something jerky as petting, she was doing nice strokes, if not a bit to light,  an Ginger starts to growl and bare her teeth. We told her to leave the dog alone, impressed upon her best we could a growl means to back off, and then  a little while later she's petting Ginger, Ginger growls, she says you're dogs mad, she's growling, an WENT BACK TO PETTING HER, DESPITE THE GROWLING, and despite the fact we had told her quite a few times, growling means back off. I sent Ginger into the main house while Kiera and I cleaned the house some more, just to avoid any more upsets, more serious than some growling.
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I love dogs and I will pet about any dog I come across, this is the 2nd bite ever (first one as a child, also my mistake, I tried to dress our great dane in romper suit, it nipped me lightly as I didn't care for his growling and warnings)


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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 6:41:32 AM   
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If the dog had been on a leash, like dogs are supposed to be when out of their yard, this "freak thing" wouldn't of occured. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the owner of the dog, and if it wasn't for the dog getting in trouble, for something that really isn't their fault THEY are not the one who said hey let me loose with out a leash, I'd say the humans deserve to get in trouble. My friend had her little dog just minding her own business with her, going for a walk, if I remember right and an unleashed pitbull came up and bit into Abbies leg and Abby had to go to the vet an it cost a bunch of money, an that's not counting the pain an suffering the poor dog went through.

The pitbull was put to sleep, and that's unfortunate, but it wouldn't of had to happen if dumbshit  owner put it on a leash to go out romping with it.

Now, on account of a dog biting a family member, because said person did things or created a situation they knew better, I side with the dog. .
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Actually luckily not every country is so paranoid that you have to keep dogs on the leash at all times, in fact dogs and especially big dogs need to run a lot, as a human you can't run as fast as a dog. My dog is only on the lead when we are in the city, not because she is a danger to anybody (the only danger she'd be would be licking somebody to death) but some people are scared of dogs and they will feel better if she is on the leash. When we go for walks along the canals, she's not on the leash and is happily bouncing around, meeting other dogs, sometimes they play, sometimes they take a dislike to each other and bark and growl a bit but usually dogs don't just attack each other unless they they worry about being attacked themselves or feel threatened. So there are situations where the dogs make a lot of ruckus and just behave like dogs, well, they aren't stuffed pets you have for decoration purposes. As a dog owner I have to have my dog under control and give the dog what it needs, if I am not capable of training my dog I have to go to a doggie school, plenty of them around and most don't cost a lot, it's something that I have to figure out before I get a dog.

I also had to go to the vet and they aren't cheap, my dog also suffered for a bit (though I think she was exaggerating to get more strokes and treats) but having the other dog put down because of that? That's like if 2 kids get into a fight and one bites the other, the biting kid would get the death penalty. Yes, aggressive dogs should be kept on the leash when they are around people or other dogs but I think in most of the cases people overreact, dogs are pack animals and they sort out a pecking order.

It often pisses me off that there seem to be laws about everything but any idiot can go and buy a pet without knowing anything about it, maybe it would be a good idea to have a test you have to do before owning an animal, that you have to show that you are aware of its nature and needs and what training it requires. I heard somebody complaining about how destructive their Border Collie is - so I asked if they work with him and they said "No, he's a family pet we take him for walks so he can do his business" - great, you get one of the most intelligent breeds and don't teach it anything, don't stimulate it, the poor animal is possibly bored out of its mind and is chewing things up because there is nothing else to do, should have thought before...

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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 6:46:00 AM   
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Well, that looks fine to me, Lady C.  In fact, it just looks like you've just pulled a small bogey out of your nose.  Perfectly normal, in other words.


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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 6:59:21 AM   
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We never had Ginger around lil kids before, so I don't know if she doesn't like them, or what, but my friends 3 year old met Ginger, every thing was fine, introductions went well, food was shared, some kissing even, an then that evening, She's petting Ginger, nicely too, which is very impressive for a kid who's young, most lil ones mistake banging on the dog or something jerky as petting, she was doing nice strokes, if not a bit to light,  an Ginger starts to growl and bare her teeth. We told her to leave the dog alone, impressed upon her best we could a growl means to back off, and then  a little while later she's petting Ginger, Ginger growls, she says you're dogs mad, she's growling, an WENT BACK TO PETTING HER, DESPITE THE GROWLING, and despite the fact we had told her quite a few times, growling means back off. I sent Ginger into the main house while Kiera and I cleaned the house some more, just to avoid any more upsets, more serious than some growling.


When I complained about the nip to my mom, I got a sore bottom to boot as she said I should be smarter than to put a romper suit on the dog (I think I was 4 or 5 then) and that the dog warned me and I should consider the nip (more like a pinch) as another warning and not force the dog to do worse.

Sometimes dogs are confused by children, especially if they are not used to them, they don't know where the kids fit in when it comes to the order of the pack, food is a good way to train them, give the child something to eat, the child should eat it and then give the dog something, showing the dog the child is above the dog in the pecking order.

Last year I was training my dog in the park, teaching her that she has to wait if I throw a ball until I give the command fetch, worked wonderful, I told her to fetch and another dog comes running and steals her ball, of course she went to the other dog and barked at it, other dog tried to run off with the ball and she pinched the other dog in the rump. The owner made a massive fuss, there really was no injury, no blood nothing, just a "Hey, that's mine, give it back" and she stopped when the other dog dropped the ball and brought the ball back. The stupid bint went off on one that my dog attacked her dog, I just went "Excuse me, did you see that your dog took her toy? Why didn't you call your dog back?" She said her dog doesn't listen, but mine should be muzzled and never off the lead... Well, mine is trained to come back when called, otherwise I wouldn't let her off the lead... People sometimes are just amazingly stupid.


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RE: Dog bite... - 12/5/2010 12:38:37 PM   
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I gave my friends 3 y.o some potato chips to sit and eat, and she did end up shareing them with Ginger, she's parked on the bed calling here doggie come get a potato chip? Well what average doggie would refuse such a tasty invite, certainly not Ginger, she's game for any one offering her food, now if she likes what you're offering an will eat it, is another story lol.


We told the child, that if the dog bit her after her being told several times to leave the growling dog alone,Who'd gone so far as to jump up and snap because said child was in her face, and Ginger just didn't like it we would not be sympathetic and she WOULD be in trouble.

That seemed to do it. She didn't pester the dog any more. When Ginger met said child in the other house, my parents home, not our room in the house completely seperate from theirs, Ginger seemed very happy to be nice and say hi, with out food being a part of it, she let the child pet her and even tried to kiss her, Ginger being a springer spaniel collie,  Being 3 the child is just the perfect height for Ginger to kiss the child's face.which is why I was so confused that she was so antisocial here in her room, but I figure she felt like it was her turf, and you're a guest in her turf, an she don't feel like being bugged. Ginger typically will growl at either james or I if she feels you're bothering her, You don't e ven have to do much just anything she feels is you bothering her hehehe.    Next time if we have my friend an her child over, we'll  see if we can facilitate getting alongs, an then maybe next time things won't be so tense.
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When I complained about the nip to my mom, I got a sore bottom to boot as she said I should be smarter than to put a romper suit on the dog (I think I was 4 or 5 then) and that the dog warned me and I should consider the nip (more like a pinch) as another warning and not force the dog to do worse.

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