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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:09:15 PM

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Unfortunately I bought a house here and pay plenty of tax and for the NHS, sorry that I don't fall into the cheering club but I have seen it work in other places and since the system plainly doesn't work, sorry that I am not happy with a system that might be fit for a 3rd world country.

Gosh, I guess I am so sorry that I am used to qualified doctors, you have quite a few here, but most of them only take private patients, something I understand, but don't think it is fair, just because I can go to a good doctor doesn't mean people who can't afford it have to put up with substandard treatment that in a lot of cases is years behind or risking MRSA when going to a hospital - sure, that must be acceptable...

As for the big waiting lists, funny that so many people want to study medicine but oddly enough the amount of doctors is kept smaller than needed. Damned, yeah, I thought I was in the EU and not in some civilization outpost. Terribly sorry that my health is important to me, I guess health and life doesn't count for much.

Let's all buy into the myth that there is nothing wrong with the NHS and neglect the fact that every pet gets better treatment at the vet... Oh I bow to the mighty NHS, throw potentially addictive meds at people to keep them quiet, wouldn't do to employ more doctors to reduce waiting lists...

I'm sure there is no reason why people actually rather fly to India to have treatment than end up on long waiting lists, because you say the NHS is simply wonderful, I mean what does it matter if a person ends up with an addiction to prescription drugs, they can get another prescription, that keeps the waiting list down... Quite a concept...

ETA: Would I have known more about the state the NHS is in (or rather the shambles it is) I would not have taken the job here, sunk a LOT of money into a house, but went for the job offer in the US, because at least there I can get good treatment, sure I have to pay for it, but so do I have in the UK - about the same amount and not quite the same quality of treatment.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:13:35 PM

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Unfortunately I bought a house here and pay plenty of tax and for the NHS, sorry that I don't fall into the cheering club but I have seen it work in other places and since the system plainly doesn't work, sorry that I am not happy with a system that might be fit for a 3rd world country.

Gosh, I guess I am so sorry that I am used to qualified doctors, you have quite a few here, but most of them only take private patients, something I understand, but don't think it is fair, just because I can go to a good doctor doesn't mean people who can't afford it have to put up with substandard treatment that in a lot of cases is years behind or risking MRSA when going to a hospital - sure, that must be acceptable...

As for the big waiting lists, funny that so many people want to study medicine but oddly enough the amount of doctors is kept smaller than needed. Damned, yeah, I thought I was in the EU and not in some civilization outpost. Terribly sorry that my health is important to me, I guess health and life doesn't count for much.

Let's all buy into the myth that there is nothing wrong with the NHS and neglect the fact that every pet gets better treatment at the vet... Oh I bow to the mighty NHS, throw potentially addictive meds at people to keep them quiet, wouldn't do to employ more doctors to reduce waiting lists...

I'm sure there is no reason why people actually rather fly to India to have treatment than end up on long waiting lists, because you say the NHS is simply wonderful, I mean what does it matter if a person ends up with an addiction to prescription drugs, they can get another prescription, that keeps the waiting list down... Quite a concept...

There aren't enough hours in my day to correct the huge errors, inaccuracies, and incorrect assumptions in your post.

Like I said; don't like getting free healthcare in a nation of 60,000,000, for a fraction of what you pay through NI? Then fuck off somewhere else. Soonest.

ETA: the reason your private medical insurance is even halfway affordable, unlike places like the US, is that the primary services are still handled through NHS hospitals, for 99.99% of patients. If you don't like it, take out private clinical care, but specify "entire sum non-NHS coverage" and ask for a quote.

When you've sat down for 10 minutes and the shock of the 5 figures a year quote has sunk in, get back up and thank the NHS for providing the frontline services even private companies leverage to keep their costs down.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:15:35 PM

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:17:41 PM

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:25:30 PM

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Back to the Global Cat conspiracy; basement cat plots his revenge:

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:28:10 PM

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Back to the Global Cat conspiracy; basement cat plots his revenge:

Reminds me of that line from "Lords And Ladies"; something like:

"A cat in a box can technically be in one of 2 states; Dead or Alive. However, on opening the box, they discovered a third: Bloody Furious" :)

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:31:34 PM

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On another note, I got 97 of the Codamol pills left and don't plan to take them (nor do I plan to sell them on the black market), what do I do with them here? In most other countries the chemists have a secure box where you can drop them, they then get sorted and if they are not past their use by date, they are given to charities abroad. Never saw anything like that here, I'm not really comfy with throwing them into the regular rubbish...

You might find it interesting that the US (unless states have passed their own regulations) does not have such a system in place either.

People have been generally flushing their unused medications. That is (or hopefully was) actually the official (state mandated) means of disposal everytime we had to do a medication change in the residential facility I worked in.

Now it has been discovered that a fair amount of medications have found their way into our water treatment facilities.
The current medication disposal plan in my state is for people to turn them in to the state police on appointed days and I am pretty sure they are burned.

That of course makes sense for out of date medications but is horribly wasteful in the circumstance of a medication incompatibility.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:33:44 PM

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There aren't enough hours in my day to correct the huge errors, inaccuracies, and incorrect assumptions in your post.

Like I said; don't like getting free healthcare in a nation of 60,000,000, for a fraction of what you pay through NI? Then fuck off somewhere else. Soonest.

Oh all my personal experiences with them have then been "exceptions" - imagine that....

FREE healthcare? Sorry, how is it free? £547.23 of my wages every month go to national insurance out of that the NHS is paid. You call that FREE? If that's your definition of FREE, I'm not surprised that you consider the NHS great... In relation my private health insurance (a German one but they pay in the UK, in fact I am covered world wide) translates to about £340 - which includes about every treatment that is needed, including dental and most of the treatments covered there are deemed "not needed" by the NHS but have been proven successful in other countries.

Oh right, I am getting it free, for a meager £547.23 a month...

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:44:33 PM

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FREE healthcare? Sorry, how is it free? £547.23 of my wages every month go to national insurance out of that the NHS is paid. You call that FREE? If that's your definition of FREE, I'm not surprised that you consider the NHS great... In relation my private health insurance (a German one but they pay in the UK, in fact I am covered world wide) translates to about £340 - which includes about every treatment that is needed, including dental and most of the treatments covered there are deemed "not needed" by the NHS but have been proven successful in other countries.

Oh right, I am getting it free, for a meager £547.23 a month...

lol! The one box of pills you have just been prescribed are more costly than that in many other countries.

Go away, research the topic properly, then come back and suggest intelligent solutions as to how nations of this size (60,000,000 and above) can finance and apply healthcare for all in the 21st century, while covering all the conditions the NHS currently treats for, and not (for example) restricting itself to narrow channels, as the Germans and French do. Get some graphs of coverage and costs as a percentage of GDP - you'll note the NHS is at the top, per coverage sector. The look at how broad a topic "healthcare" is as defined under the NHS remit. Your private healthcare is so cheap because of what the NHS subsidises it by providing crossover services, you idiot.

As it is you're just making yourself look very foolish.

I'm not claiming the NHS is perfect, but for all those that complain I'd simply say "get a private quotation that excludes NHS services entirely" ... seriously, you'd shit yourself. That includes your German backed private policy. Which, BTW, the NHS takes on most of the cost of, an issue the government would do well to sort out, so you get what you actually pay for, not what we subsidise you for, but they don't seem interested in saving the 200 million a year or so people like you cost the NHS. And as for outside the EU ... don't get me started.

I'm done trying to educate you; it's not working. Either quit your ignorant, ill-informed, moronic whining or fuck off somewhere else.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:53:16 PM

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Day 983 of My Captivity

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets...

I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released, and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded. The bird must be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe. For now ...

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 4:57:24 PM

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The Cat's Diary

Day 983 of My Captivity

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets...

I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released, and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded. The bird must be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe. For now ...

You know, that was nothing short of brilliant. Beautiful! You, sir, have a talent.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 5:02:12 PM

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What with all the drug-related violence, I've lost track of whether the initial problem has actually been solved. But in case you still suffer from the insomnia, Lady Constanze, may I make another recommendation? Research the additional ingredients in the medication, and check to see what the known side effects are of those drugs. I was once prescribed an opiate painkiller that kept me up all night (not exactly the effect I was expecting), and when I read the label closely, I found that it had a naprosyn derivative in it. Turns out I'm one of the relatively few people who have a strong insomniac reaction to naprosyn. You never know.

And good luck. Ankles are a bitch. I once fell through a roof, landing upright on a concrete floor 30 feet below, and (among other things) broke one ankle and sprained the other. The broken ankle was fine in a couple of months, the sprain took over a year before it healed. I hope your outcome is much less dramatic than mine.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 5:04:37 PM

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Oh sorry, then please explain how the NHS is free? Told you what I pay each month and you consider it free?

And sorry but if you claim my private healthcare is so cheap because what the NHS covers, you display yourself as quite ignorant. Which part didn't you read? The fact that it gives me coverage WORLDWIDE?

I had it before I moved to the UK (admittedly ill advised but it happened now) and it covered me in the US, in Germany, where it basically just an additional thing that made sure I didn't need to wait for an hour to see a doctor. If you would know ANYTHING about it, you would know it has nothing to do with the NHS, hint WORD WIDE COVERAGE, and it might come as a shock to you, the NHS isn't world wide.

I cost the NHS? Really? When everything they do can be billed and is paid for by my private insurance... You know, if you would care to inform yourself, it isn't BUPA, it's Allianz, go and research it...

You are educating? Well that explains a lot, like the state the NHS is in, and for the record I am going to have fun and games because they will bill me and my insurance will want to know for what as they seem to be slightly incapable to include a diagnosis or what exactly I was treated for, because when I went to the reception of the ER and I mentioned I am privately insured and will pay, I got taken for Xrays before seeing a doctor...

Trust me, I saw the bills in the US and about every other European country because they send them to me and I send them on to my insurance, and I always have the merry go round with "Do you know what injections they gave you? What did they do exactly - we pay by treatment and not condition..."

So basically I am spending £547.23 for nothing and less than that for getting something, something not backed by the NHS.

I'm not a fan of the US system because I think a country should look after the health of their people, I'm simply shocked by a lot of little things here, doctors not making notes is one, I had cancer surgery, I can't have children, you would think they note that down and not ask each time "Are you pregnant?" I have allergies and an allergy pass, why on earth do I get asked by the same doctor each time which allergies I have? It's in their freaking notes. If they can't even look that stuff up, how safe do I feel with them?

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 5:08:58 PM

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*cough*cut&pasteofftheinternet*cough*

Oh, shit.

Further proof I was never meant for this world. I'm far too trusting.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 5:09:18 PM

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And sorry but if you claim my private healthcare is so cheap because what the NHS covers, you display yourself as quite ignorant. Which part didn't you read? The fact that it gives me coverage WORLDWIDE?

Oh christ. Your ignorance is beyond belief. You simply haven’t got a clue about healthcare and its costing, nor how insurance premiums are calculated.

Enough. I give up. You're a moron. Doubtless you'll be leaving soon as it's all so awful here, so I'll just wish you a cheery farewell ...

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 5:11:13 PM

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*cough*cut&pasteofftheinternet*cough*

Oh, shit.

Further proof I was never meant for this world. I'm far too trusting.

That's ok. You're a funny, trusting panda, and I respect that.

A sarky panda would have been more than I could have taken :)

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 5:11:40 PM

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Sure, of course, and you think the NHS is great and a world wide insurance figures the NHS in...

You're the expert, which helps me to understand why the NHS is in the state it is now, that makes a lot of sense...

Oh you still maintain it's free for the paltry little sum of £547.23 - I have a bridge in Brooklyn....

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/22/2010 5:19:30 PM

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Sure, of course, and you think the NHS is great and a world wide insurance figures the NHS in...

You're the expert, which helps me to understand why the NHS is in the state it is now, that makes a lot of sense...

Oh you still maintain it's free for the paltry little sum of £547.23 - I have a bridge in Brooklyn....

Honestly, you're making yourself look very, very stupid. You should quit while you're behind.

Go do some research; look at whole of life costs, look at term financing, look at banding costs by condition, look at scale per capita vs. coverage, and then factor in what assumptions and exclusions "worldwide" coverage makes. Then relate that to nations with populations in excess of 60,000,000.

To correct everything wrong you've said this evening would take about 5 pages, and I'm not inclined to bother. So, you just sit there, in your ignorance, spouting inaccurate, ignorant crap, and I'll simply suggest, once again, that if it's such a bad system, you should fuck off somewhere else.

BTW, be sure to inform your "worldwide" insurance company where else it is you settle (and before you claim they don't care, wait til you start undergoing longer term treatment anywhere other than the UK, France, Italy or Germany) ... you might well notice some interesting changes to your charges, terms and conditions over the next few years. Not to worry though, you can come back to the bad old NHS when you run out of options elsewhere, because the UK is still one of the countries dumb enough to underwrite other nation's policies, for many times less than they cost. I'd really hoped they'd have plugged that one in time, but they haven't yet, and don't seem inclined to either, which is a shame.

Anyway, bon voyage! Enjoy! :)

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/23/2010 3:17:05 AM

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Unfortunately I bought a house here and pay plenty of tax and for the NHS, sorry that I don't fall into the cheering club but I have seen it work in other places and since the system plainly doesn't work, sorry that I am not happy with a system that might be fit for a 3rd world country.

Gosh, I guess I am so sorry that I am used to qualified doctors, you have quite a few here, but most of them only take private patients, something I understand, but don't think it is fair, just because I can go to a good doctor doesn't mean people who can't afford it have to put up with substandard treatment that in a lot of cases is years behind or risking MRSA when going to a hospital - sure, that must be acceptable...

As for the big waiting lists, funny that so many people want to study medicine but oddly enough the amount of doctors is kept smaller than needed. Damned, yeah, I thought I was in the EU and not in some civilization outpost. Terribly sorry that my health is important to me, I guess health and life doesn't count for much.

Let's all buy into the myth that there is nothing wrong with the NHS and neglect the fact that every pet gets better treatment at the vet... Oh I bow to the mighty NHS, throw potentially addictive meds at people to keep them quiet, wouldn't do to employ more doctors to reduce waiting lists...

I'm sure there is no reason why people actually rather fly to India to have treatment than end up on long waiting lists, because you say the NHS is simply wonderful, I mean what does it matter if a person ends up with an addiction to prescription drugs, they can get another prescription, that keeps the waiting list down... Quite a concept...

ETA: Would I have known more about the state the NHS is in (or rather the shambles it is) I would not have taken the job here, sunk a LOT of money into a house, but went for the job offer in the US, because at least there I can get good treatment, sure I have to pay for it, but so do I have in the UK - about the same amount and not quite the same quality of treatment.

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RE: Meds and sleep deprivation... - 12/23/2010 3:19:58 AM

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There aren't enough hours in my day to correct the huge errors, inaccuracies, and incorrect assumptions in your post.

Like I said; don't like getting free healthcare in a nation of 60,000,000, for a fraction of what you pay through NI? Then fuck off somewhere else. Soonest.

Oh all my personal experiences with them have then been "exceptions" - imagine that....

FREE healthcare? Sorry, how is it free? £547.23 of my wages every month go to national insurance out of that the NHS is paid. You call that FREE? If that's your definition of FREE, I'm not surprised that you consider the NHS great... In relation my private health insurance (a German one but they pay in the UK, in fact I am covered world wide) translates to about £340 - which includes about every treatment that is needed, including dental and most of the treatments covered there are deemed "not needed" by the NHS but have been proven successful in other countries.

Oh right, I am getting it free, for a meager £547.23 a month...

for £547.23 a month plus at times rather long waiting times

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