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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:49:46 PM

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DS. I wish I had your restraint right now!!!!

I can converse with DS. I know that he is forthright and that he is always respectful, to other people as well as to me. And I do respect him.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 10:15:30 PM

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Rule, please advise who this "group of conscienceless, psychopathic people of various cross-cultural origins that are behind most of the mischief of the past centuries" is. What is their agenda? What have they been responsible for? How do they operate? How is it that only you seems to be aware of their existence?

And please supply some credible sources to support your claims. Reference to Mein Kempf or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is not considered credible or acceptable by sane people. Nor is the guilt by association standard you use to slanderously equate Judaism with satanism (and please don't think that I am any big fan of organised religion - I am not).

In short, please tell me why I shouldn't dismiss your claims as sad malicious despicable paranoid racist ranting with absolutely no basis in fact. Because as things stand that is precisely what they appear to me to be.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 10:31:54 PM

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Rule, please advise who this "group of conscienceless, psychopathic people of various cross-cultural origins that are behind most of the mischief of the past centuries" is. What is their agenda? What have they been responsible for? How do they operate? How is it that only you seems to be aware of their existence?

Why is it that you are not?

The agenda appears to be to further the progress of our species. They appear to be 'idealists'.

They operate surreptitiously.

They have been responsible for quite a lot.

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Nor is the guilt by association standard you use to slanderously equate Judaism with satanism (and please don't think that I am any big fan of organized religion - I am not).

The slander is in your mind only. Personally I have no problem with Satan nor his many avatars. Their actions often benefit the populations they live in.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 10:38:09 PM

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It's OK hun.

I've sent a letter to your doctor advising him to triple your meds. I wish you a complete recovery.

It might be advisable not to stress yourself too much in the short term. So please try not to think about things too much. Not that you do anyways, but one can never be too careful these days can one? Especially with all that microwave radiation in the atmosphere and whatnot.

And remember to eat lots of fresh fruit and vegetables!

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 5:27:11 AM

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I did not mean to open a can of worms on the Synagogue comment.    It is perplexing if- the shooter- and congress woman- worshiped at the same place- be it a Synagogue, a Church, a Mosque, ect.

NPR- said the FBI will interview EVERY class mate of the shooter in college.    Not just a few but every one who was in class with him.

So the post is relevant.   Just as the grid is peicing it together- it will take some effort for us to sort thru it.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 5:33:01 AM

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It's OK hun.

I've sent a letter to your doctor advising him to triple your meds. I wish you a complete recovery.

It might be advisable not to stress yourself too much in the short term. So please try not to think about things too much. Not that you do anyways, but one can never be too careful these days can one? Especially with all that microwave radiation in the atmosphere and whatnot.

And remember to eat lots of fresh fruit and vegetables!

Are you soliciting him in an effort to secure pills?

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 5:42:12 AM

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It's OK hun.

I've sent a letter to your doctor advising him to triple your meds. I wish you a complete recovery.

It might be advisable not to stress yourself too much in the short term. So please try not to think about things too much. Not that you do anyways, but one can never be too careful these days can one? Especially with all that microwave radiation in the atmosphere and whatnot.

And remember to eat lots of fresh fruit and vegetables!

Tweakabelle, I came to the realization some time ago that the only way to deal with rule and his ignorant, racist, and anti-semitic crap is to place him on ignore.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 6:05:03 AM

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How do we do fact finding- if we are not allowed to state the facts?

Or explore the facts?

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 6:19:24 AM

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It's news to most on here that you give a shit about facts in the first place, sweetie.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 6:25:07 AM

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I did not mean to open a can of worms on the Synagogue comment. It is perplexing if- the shooter- and congress woman- worshiped at the same place- be it a Synagogue, a Church, a Mosque, ect.

Not exactly. A sane person would never shoot someone he or she did not know. What's the point?

An insane one could kill someone they knew, or someone they didn't know. There's no arguing that Loughner was insane.

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Nope. We worship God. Nobody else.

Then, if you mean by 'God' the supercomputer beyond our universe instead of various pagan gods, you ought to throw the Old Testament away.

That actually is the original foundation of Judaism - monotheism as opposed to the animistic worship practiced by pagans. But we'll keep the Old Testament. We kinda like it and intend to keep using it.

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AFAIK, the only mention of Satan in the Old Testament is his snakely self in Genesis.

Actually, Satan (and various other pagan gods, by definition as snakely) are mentioned more often than that, I have discovered. As well, the Old Testament is not the only part of Jewish heritage where Satan is prominently present.

Now you're getting into a gray area. I follow the Talmud (a how-to-live guide for Jews) somewhat, as well as the Old Testament. I don't know squat about the Kabbalah, and am under no obligation to follow it. I'm nopt sure what other pieces of Jewish heritage you're referring to, although unless it contains an imperative to follow Satan (and it won't), it shouldn't matter.

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One of the Twelve Commandments that define the conduct of Judaism is "You shall have no Gods before me." In other words, we worship God ONLY.

The problem is that that phrase was uttered by a pagan god. (I know one of his many avatars; nice guy and one of my friends.)

According to the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments were inscribed directly on stone from our God, and Moses got to carry them down and present them to the Hebrews. I don't know why He would be considered a pagan God by anyone.

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Your suggestion that because Satan is present in the Old Testament, we worship him is... kinda odd. There are hundreds of people in the New Testament, and Christians worship only that Jesus fellow. Not Pontius Pilate, not Mary Magdalene, etc.

One worships what one is affected by. That is why I recommended to throw away the crutch.

I don't follow this assertion. Don't bother to explain, because if I DID understand it, I would disagree with it.

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I can converse with DS. I know that he is forthright and that he is always respectful, to other people as well as to me. And I do respect him.

Thanks!

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 8:59:58 AM

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According to the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments were inscribed directly on stone from our God, and Moses got to carry them down and present them to the Hebrews. I don't know why He would be considered a pagan God by anyone.

It is both physically and philosophically impossible for the supercomputer beyond our universe to intervene in our universe in that way, DS. Thus the God you here refer to must be a pagan god. (And I happen to know which one.) Though I do not doubt that the supercomputer beyond our universe did facilitate it on behest of this pagan god, and even more so on the earlier behest of yet another pagan god (I know the identity of that one too), and perchance - here I speculate - even on a yet earlier behest of a third pagan god. That is a whole chain of them.

Anyway, if I recall correctly, the ten commandments are an excerpt from a larger and earlier set that the Egyptians lived by.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 12:34:19 PM

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Arizona Shooter Was On Powerful Hallucinogens As with practically every other high profile shooting case in recent memory, it appears that the suspect was using psychotropic drugs, substances that significantly alter areas of the brain associated with perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, and behavior.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 12:44:01 PM

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Arizona Shooter Was On Powerful Hallucinogens As with practically every other high profile shooting case in recent memory, it appears that the suspect was using psychotropic drugs, substances that significantly alter areas of the brain associated with perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, and behavior.

Well shit, that settles it.

I mean who could ask for more proof than this?

"George Osler, father of Loughner’s friend, Zach Osler has stated on record that Loughner was experimenting with a particular psychotropic drug."

The only problem is I have a friend who has a friend whose third cousin on his mother's side knows Loughner's Aunt Milly and she has stated on record that this is not true.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 12:46:37 PM

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When did plonker planet links ever pan out?

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 12:57:55 PM

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Onto much more relevent news and happier true stuff
The lady in question, Ms Giffords is breathing on her own without tubes, etc, this is wonderful news and the only good news since she got shot.
I wish her a speedy recovery, My thoughts and prayers to the other victims and all their families and friends are from the heart.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 1:08:21 PM

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Onto much more relevent news and happier true stuff
The lady in question, Ms Giffords is breathing on her own without tubes, etc, this is wonderful news and the only good news since she got shot.
I wish her a speedy recovery, My thoughts and prayers to the other victims and all their families and friends are from the heart.

Thanks for the update Lucy! I haven't been able to turn on the news today.

From when my son was in a similar situation, this is a very good sign! That means she can swallow on her own and won't choke and may mean she is out of the coma. This could mean that they aren't as worried about swelling in the brain because they had her in an induced coma so that the brain wouldn't be as active and likely to swell. This is a very good sign! I'm so happy! lol

I just hope they don't use the normal protocol for brain injury on her... as in those medications for other conditions. I am completely against that protocol! I see it setting people back rather than actually helping anyone. I hope they will just let the medication thing rest and see what she has in ability and function rather than to dope her up and hype her up with anti psychotics, which is protocol for most brain injuries. My son and step son are both brain injured. My son is doing well off the medications, my step son is trapped in them and a nursing home because of them.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 1:16:03 PM

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Well shit, that settles it./snip

Yup.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 1:17:07 PM

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This could mean that they aren't as worried about swelling in the brain because they had her in an induced coma so that the brain wouldn't be as active and likely to swell.

They lifted part of her skull to alleviate the damage caused by the swelling, so her brain is now exposed.

In any case, a Dutch brain physician, though optimistic, while not knowing the specifics of her injury, was not overly optimistic. It is likely that there will be damage, he said.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 1:23:29 PM

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This could mean that they aren't as worried about swelling in the brain because they had her in an induced coma so that the brain wouldn't be as active and likely to swell.

They lifted part of her skull to alleviate the damage caused by the swelling, so her brain is now exposed.

In any case, a Dutch brain physician, though optimistic, while not knowing the specifics of her injury, was not overly optimistic. It is likely that there will be damage, he said.

This is true. Although they did two things that I know of to help with any swelling. One was opening the skull and inducing a coma so that the brain wouldn't be as active and therefore more inclined to swell. That came right from her doctor. I don't believe there couldn't be any damage, but from where the bullet went, she got very lucky it wasn't deeper into her brain. The brain can heal itself in time. They said my son wouldn't heal like a traumatic brain injured person could or would, because his brain cells were dead, but his brain has to be re-routing itself because he is improving. It's just a matter of time and healing to see what will or can happen.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/12/2011 1:27:33 PM

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Indeed, I have read about the case of a woman who was very much paralyzed after a stroke, but she indomitably did not give in. She kept trying and as the weeks, months and years passed she recovered rather well.

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