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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 5:28:17 PM   
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Dude- the shooter is into satanism.




Dude, as with all your othe Alex Jones crap....prove it



The shooter and the congresswoman attended the same Synagogue.



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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 5:29:17 PM   
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Actually Thailand and South Africa lead the United States in gun related deaths, if anyone would take the time to do the research.

But of course it is MUCH easier for non-Americans to say the US leads the world in gun violence.



I said exceptionally high, which is the case. Fourth place on the list below.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms


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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 5:40:10 PM   
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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 6:54:17 PM   
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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 7:29:48 PM   
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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 7:39:15 PM   
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Dude- the shooter is into satanism.




Dude, as with all your othe Alex Jones crap....prove it



The shooter and the congresswoman attended the same Synagogue.




I thought you said he was a Satanist? Make up your mind willya?

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 8:21:14 PM   
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Dude- the shooter is into satanism.




Dude, as with all your othe Alex Jones crap....prove it


The shooter and the congresswoman attended the same Synagogue.


There evidently is some rumor floating around the Internet along these lines.  The article, as reported here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Loughner-Jewish--Member-S-by-Rob-Kall-110111-342.html makes a huge deal out of the fact that the Loughners are Jewish.

I checked out the site of the Chaverim congregation and it is clear that Giffords is a member.  But I can find no membership directory, and no way to prove or disprove the claim.

Basically, I couldn't find any proof of the Loughners' Jewishness in five minutes of Googling.  But the tenor of the article that makes the claim, bothers me.  I can see why white supremacist sites may want to make the claim that they are Jewish.  Stating that the entire family is Jewish seems a bit of a stretch (that would require Randy Loughner to convert), and the familiar accusation that "the mainstream media is covering this up" makes me more inclined to believe that the story is fake.


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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 8:26:03 PM   
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Dude- the shooter is into satanism.



Really? You said occultism last time.
Make your mind up.



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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 8:43:16 PM   
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I checked out the site of the Chaverim congregation and it is clear that Giffords is a member.  But I can find no membership directory, and no way to prove or disprove the claim.

Basically, I couldn't find any proof of the Loughners' Jewishness in five minutes of Googling.  But the tenor of the article that makes the claim, bothers me.  I can see why white supremacist sites may want to make the claim that they are Jewish.  Stating that the entire family is Jewish seems a bit of a stretch (that would require Randy Loughner to convert), and the familiar accusation that "the mainstream media is covering this up" makes me more inclined to believe that the story is fake.

Umm, can it be that you are a bit prejudiced, DS?

You are living thereabouts (in the USA). Do not you know somebody in his home town who can find out what is up?

In this case to believe or not believe anything based on too little internet information, would be unwarranted. One either knows or knows not. Believing or not believing is merely self-gratifying fantasy.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:00:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could someone please explain to me how the question of whether the killer was Jewish or not is in any way relevant?

I haven't heard any suggestion that he claimed to act in the name of Judaism, or any suggestion of anti-Semitism, despite the promiscuous way that the charge of anti-Semitism is used in the USA (eg in relation to critics of Israeli policy). In the absence of such claims, surely the question of his Jewishness or non-Jewishness is irrelevant.

The only connection I have seen is a claim made by pahunkaboy, who seems unable to distinguish between satanism and Judaism. (Why am I not surprised he can't?) Surely we need a more authoritative source than that. Please, let's stop taking such gibberish seriously. It can only fuel anti-Semitism.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:08:33 PM   
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Any chance it was yours?





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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:11:12 PM   
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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:13:02 PM   
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Umm, can it be that you are a bit prejudiced, DS?

You are living thereabouts (in the USA). Do not you know somebody in his home town who can find out what is up?

In this case to believe or not believe anything based on too little internet information, would be unwarranted. One either knows or knows not. Believing or not believing is merely self-gratifying fantasy.



I try to be objective, Rule.  But I've gotten suspicious of a lot of info on the Internet.  The mainstream media has made no claims about the Loughners' religion.  The fact that some obscure site gets the news, and it's not local to Tucson, make me suspicious.  Where'd they get the info from?

And, no, I will not contact anyone in Tucson and ask them to dig around the congregation and see if the Loughners are members. I'd be pissed off if anyone asked me to do the same at my congregation.

You're right that I have no solid proof that the article is false.  But there's a lot of curcumstantial evidence that makes me think it's false:

The MSM has not confirmed the story, or even noticed it.
The MSM has reported that Loughner met Giffords at her previous 2007 meet, and makes no mention of any other meetings.
The article states unequivocally that the Loughners were members of Chaverim, when the only way they could find that out is if a congregant discloses membership info.  Unlikely that a congregant would do that for some random media person. especially if they would value the Loughners' privacy.
The article has such an obvious slant, unlike a news article I would consider trustworthy.

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Could someone please explain to me how the question of whether the killer was Jewish or not is in any way relevant?



The claims allegedly come from a hate site.  They could be using it to fan anti-Semitic flames.  And the way that the claim is presented (The rabbi is covering up!  The media is covering up!) tries to discredit the MSM, which of course a site of fabrications would need to do on a regular basis.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:20:31 PM   
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Umm, can it be that you are a bit prejudiced, DS?

You are living thereabouts (in the USA). Do not you know somebody in his home town who can find out what is up?



I'm sure if the Loughners are Jewish, DS has a file on them.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:21:43 PM   
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Could someone please explain to me how the question of whether the killer was Jewish or not is in any way relevant?

I haven't heard any suggestion that he claimed to act in the name of Judaism, or any suggestion of anti-Semitism
...
In the absence of such claims, surely the question of his Jewishness or non-Jewishness is irrelevant.

The only connection I have seen is a claim made by pahunkaboy, who seems unable to distinguish between satanism and Judaism. (Why am I not surprised he can't?) Surely we need a more authoritative source than that. Please, let's stop taking such gibberish seriously. It can only fuel anti-Semitism.

Whether Loughner is Jewish or not is not about anti-Semitism. It is about gathering information.

Nor, indeed, in the light of RealOne's thread, is it relevant whether he is Jewish or not, as the thesis of that thread is that he was an involuntary, programmed assassin. But that is something to rather be addressed in RealOne's thread. In any case, if he was an involuntary, programmed assassin, not one of his assertions ought to be glibly believed without thorough verification.

However, it does is clear to me that a conscienceless, psychopathic fraction of Jews do constitute a significant portion of a group of conscienceless, psychopathic people of various cross-cultural origins that are behind most of the mischief of the past centuries, and that they do tend to recruit sacrificial lambs, such as Loughner perchance may be, from their own ranks. So if it could be confirmed that Loughner is a Jew, that would in itself not signify anything, but it might be a pointer for further investigation.

As for pahunkboy's assertion, Satan does is present in the Old Testament, so there is something to it that the Jews, at least for some time, and perchance more so than other populations, did worship Satan.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:26:52 PM   
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Could someone please explain to me how the question of whether the killer was Jewish or not is in any way relevant?



The claims allegedly come from a hate site.  They could be using it to fan anti-Semitic flames.  And the way that the claim is presented (The rabbi is covering up!  The media is covering up!) tries to discredit the MSM, which of course a site of fabrications would need to do on a regular basis.


Thanks for clarifying that DS. It seems that the claim is as contemptible as its source. I understand and agree with the need to refute it.

I find it sad that such hate finds its way onto these boards. Let's hope we hear no more of it.

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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:31:45 PM   
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I try to be objective, Rule.  But I've gotten suspicious of a lot of info on the Internet.

And right you are: one ought to distrust all sources of information. This is why my world is not one of fallible proof, but one of probabilities.

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You're right that I have no solid proof that the article is false.  But there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes me think it's false:

Your thought may very well be correct. I do not know - but I will keep it in mind.

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The MSM has not confirmed the story, or even noticed it.

What is MSM?


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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:32:59 PM   
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As for pahunkboy's assertion, Satan does is present in the Old Testament, so there is something to it that the Jews, at least for some time, and perchance more so than other populations, did worship Satan.


Nope.  We worship God.  Nobody else.  AFAIK, the only mention of Satan in the Old Testament is his snakely self in Genesis.

One of the Twelve Commandments that define the conduct of Judaism is "You shall have no Gods before me."  In other words, we worship God ONLY.

Your suggestion that because Satan is present in the Old Testament, we worship him is... kinda odd.  There are hundreds of people in the New Testament, and Christians worship only that Jesus fellow.  Not Pontius Pilate, not Mary Magdalene, etc.

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What is MSM?



Mainstream media.


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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:41:31 PM   
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RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot - 1/11/2011 9:46:51 PM   
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Nope.  We worship God.  Nobody else.

Then, if you mean by 'God' the supercomputer beyond our universe instead of various pagan gods, you ought to throw the Old Testament away.

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AFAIK, the only mention of Satan in the Old Testament is his snakely self in Genesis.

Actually, Satan (and various other pagan gods, by definition as snakely) are mentioned more often than that, I have discovered. As well, the Old Testament is not the only part of Jewish heritage where Satan is prominently present.

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One of the Twelve Commandments that define the conduct of Judaism is "You shall have no Gods before me."  In other words, we worship God ONLY.

The problem is that that phrase was uttered by a pagan god. (I know one of his many avatars; nice guy and one of my friends.)

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Your suggestion that because Satan is present in the Old Testament, we worship him is... kinda odd.  There are hundreds of people in the New Testament, and Christians worship only that Jesus fellow.  Not Pontius Pilate, not Mary Magdalene, etc.

One worships what one is affected by. That is why I recommended to throw away the crutch.

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