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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 4:53:25 AM

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"Heroes like Dick died to safeguard my freedom of expression"

Actually they did not. If you knew more you would know that, but very few know the truth. I mentioned Smedly Butler, did you look up his history ? You of all people should. I am not being sarcastic, take a look at what he said in retirement about war.

What I am trying to say is it does not matter the reason for war. You go in, you Man up and take care of business. Butler figured out later what he had fought for and it was an emotional trial for him. Every soldier runs that risk, on top of the obvious getting important bits blown off your body and actually death. The reason doesn't matter. These people were not hired as mercenaries. The fought for country, family, home, Mom. The fact that a modern soldier is an unwitting mercenary does not matter. They fight for what they believe is right and that is good enough.

That is my point.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 5:10:02 AM

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fought by conscripts

Dick Winters and the other paratroopers were volunteers. If you read the book you will find that many of the survivors joined the company specifically to avoid serving with conscripts.

Major Winters won the Distinguished Service Cross (arguably should have been a CMH but award of the CMH was restricted to no more than one per division in Normandy), 2 Bronze Stars and the Purple Heart.

Last summer I read We Who Are Alive and Remain. It is a series of essays by surviviors of E company, 506th PIR. I highly recommend it.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 7:02:20 AM

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A hero of a righteous war, fought by conscripts for a good cause, not by today's unthinking, bloodthirsty herd fighting for they-know-not-what, nor caring.

RIP Rich - we owe you and your brethren more than we ourselves could ever know.

Yes we mourn the death of a true American hero but those fighting today are following orders and are anything but an 'unthinking, blood thirsty herd.' Yes, we can debate the recklessness of Bush & Co. starting wars 'forever' but I do not in any way lose any respect for those who are in country...boots on the ground.

Furthermore, the first two years of WWII were fought with reserves...not conscripts. The selective service act was renewed by 1 vote summer of 1941. Few drafted from the start in 1940 made it into action until 1942/43. Even enlistees within a week of Pearl, didn't see action until late 1942 in Africa/Italy.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 12:08:47 PM

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Now as for you mate,

I'm not your mate. I'm the man who's patiently been trying to pop some knowledge into your cranium. Which, as your reply all-too-clearly demonstrates, hasn't taken. You need a crash course in military history and manners, and I can't be arsed anymore. I mean, what's my goal? A polite troll?

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the answer to your question is a big, fucking, resounding "No".

Not a problem. I've had enough of your ignorant trolling and "stories", so it's the ignore bin for you. Ta-ta.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 12:25:03 PM

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A heart of courage is finally at peace.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 4:04:08 PM

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Now as for you mate,

I'm not your mate. I'm the man who's patiently been trying to pop some knowledge into your cranium. Which, as your reply all-too-clearly demonstrates, hasn't taken. You need a crash course in military history and manners, and I can't be arsed anymore. I mean, what's my goal? A polite troll?

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
the answer to your question is a big, fucking, resounding "No".

Not a problem. I've had enough of your ignorant trolling and "stories", so it's the ignore bin for you. Ta-ta.

It's called the "Hidden" list, you must be thinking of that other forum where they discuss OCD medication. And if you're somewhow reading this, then put me BACK onto said list.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 4:28:45 PM

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A hero of a righteous war, fought by conscripts for a good cause, not by today's unthinking, bloodthirsty herd fighting for they-know-not-what, nor caring.

RIP Rich - we owe you and your brethren more than we ourselves could ever know.

Yes we mourn the death of a true American hero but those fighting today are following orders and are anything but an 'unthinking, blood thirsty herd.' Yes, we can debate the recklessness of Bush & Co. starting wars 'forever' but I do not in any way lose any respect for those who are in country...boots on the ground.

Those boys followed Bush's orders unquestioningly. If you ordered your son to shoot a new neighbour in the head, would he do it without asking you why? Of course not. They're just as responsible. Just a bunch of bloodthirsty thugs looking for an excuse to murder. The taliban are pond scum enough, but the usmc are just a couple of algae cells below (my apologies to algae everywhere) as it's not even their soil that they're spilling blood onto.

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Furthermore, the first two years of WWII were fought with reserves...not conscripts. The selective service act was renewed by 1 vote summer of 1941. Few drafted from the start in 1940 made it into action until 1942/43. Even enlistees within a week of Pearl, didn't see action until late 1942 in Africa/Italy.

Nonetheless, the cause was honourable, which redeems the initial volunteering. The timing is somewhat sadly reminiscent of when they dropped conscription at the end of the campaign in Vietnam.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 6:04:24 PM

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An intensely private and humble man

A heart of courage is finally at peace.

You've introduced an interesting and very insightful perspective to the discussion, Holly. From what (admittedly) little I know of Colonel Winters, he was a man who never really did find peace with the memories of what he had had to do in the war. The things he'd seen, the things he'd done, the things he'd ordered others to do, the men who'd died following those orders... I think it weighed heavily on the man every day of his life. 65 years is a long time to wait to get some rest, but he's finally found some.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 6:12:25 PM

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Jaybeee, just so we can truly understand where your perception comes from -- you never have actively served in the military in a combat position, correct? In fact i think you actually said a concept of ---- why should i fight when others will do it instead, or something of that ilk, correct?

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 7:23:50 PM

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Barely, put a sock in it.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/11/2011 8:20:54 PM

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Rest In Peace to such a fine example of a man.

Speaking of men, anybody who wants to sit back and call three of the four most important men in My life cowards, can piss off.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 2:44:39 AM

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Rest In Peace to such a fine example of a man.

Speaking of men, anybody who wants to sit back and call three of the four most important men in My life cowards, can piss off.

LadyPact, when someone makes an accusation and points a finger, the rest of his fingers are pointing right back at him.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 3:30:33 AM

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This seems a good place to post this:

Veteran's History Project

Frank Buckles is the sole living US WWI veteran.

Our WWII veterans are becoming fewer and fewer.

I once volunteered at a VA domiciliary in FL and it was such a priviledge to do that. I learned so much from them and they were so generous with what they taught. I am honored to have had that experience.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 6:59:04 AM

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Jaybeee, just so we can truly understand where your perception comes from -- you never have actively served in the military in a combat position, correct?

No Angel, I've never been a military man. I've also never been to Mars, I've never tried to eat a phone book (at least not in electronic format), and I've never ran down the street with my hair on fire shouting, "Rain is wet!!"

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In fact i think you actually said a concept of ---- why should i fight when others will do it instead, or something of that ilk, correct?

Well, actually I rather wanted to make the point that as the forces are a government subsection, it is an ideal chance to showcase equality between the sexes, and set a standard for a minimum of 48.7% of front-line troops being female. I thought of joining the royal marines, but didn't want to deprive a female applicant of the job.

You look like a young, fit lady, would you not like to do your bit for the grand effort?

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 7:21:12 AM

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RIP

Words are inadequate to describe the debt we owe to such people. To those who wish to honor them I say... every time you epress your opinion, you honor them. Every time you vote, you honor them. Every time you tuck in a child...

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 9:40:42 AM

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Every time you tuck in a child...

...i'd like to thank you Marc, for your brave and accurate spelling......

We, in collarme, represent a range of nationalities and cultures. When we read a story such as this, when one of those nationalities honours a genuine hero, we are reminded of all the heroes.
Some we know the names of, many we do not........but throughout human history, some individuals have put the needs of greater society above their own.
Their stories should inspire us to do more than we do now, to do our best to emulate them just a little bit.

Heroes. They matter.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 10:07:49 AM

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...i'd like to thank you Marc, for your brave and accurate spelling......

Okay... I have absolutely no idea what this means.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 10:25:28 AM

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Today’s soldiers are no different than WWI I soldiers...Korean War soldiers...Vietnam War soldier… Desert Storm soldiers. They mostly join and serve with a combination of fear, patriotism, pride and loyalty to their fellow soldiers. They would love to meet you so you could tell them face to face how cowardly they were.

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 10:37:54 AM

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RIP

Words are inadequate to describe the debt we owe to such people. To those who wish to honor them I say... every time you epress your opinion, you honor them. Every time you vote, you honor them. Every time you tuck in a child...

HERE! HERE!

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RE: "No, but I served in a company of heroes." - 1/12/2011 10:41:51 AM

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HERE! HERE!

Actually, it's "hear, hear!", from "hear him!", from the House Of Commons in, IIRC, the 17th century, whenever MPs were demanding that the opposition listen to the MP speaking.

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