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slvemike4u -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/25/2011 10:29:25 PM)
awww,shucks back at you Tazzy

joether -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 12:26:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Joether, if the federal govt. was actually doing it's job this wouldn't be an issue, would it? Yet, anytime a state tries to do something about it the feds again say that immigration is "their job" and continue not to do, ... "their job!" WOW! You completely ignore 95% of what was stated in my post, and 100% of the link, just to make a comment on 'illegal immigrants'. Do you have no ability to see the 'cause & effect' in action here? WOW! You can't connect the dots? Are you really THIS dumb all the time? You couldn't admit your off topic, nor can you admit after I pointed that out, that your STILL off topic. You seem to have a problem with facts and evidence. You must be a fanatical follower of Fox News.

subrob1967 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 3:54:30 AM)
quote: The defendants allegedly acted as "straw purchasers," falsely declaring on federal forms Looks like a federal problem to me, besides MSNBC is once again misidentifying a semi automatic rifle as an "assault rifle", so there's no anti gun bias in this story, right?[8\|]

Lucylastic -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 4:06:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Could you give me an example of a country that has closed borders and an armed society where everyone is free please? Ummm... the United States? not even close

tweakabelle -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 5:38:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Steponme73 If the federal government closed the borders we would not have a problem. An armed country is a free country. REMEMBER THAT! Looked what happened to Germany in the 30's when Hitler took guns away from the citizen's. And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." Really! I was under the impression it was due mainly to the fact the Pacific Ocean and several thousands of miles separate Japan and mainland USA ....... Edited to add extra truth and fresh herbs

TreasureKY -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 6:23:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Could you give me an example of a country that has closed borders and an armed society where everyone is free please? Ummm... the United States? We've "closed the borders"? Quick someone tell Popeye. I suppose it depends upon how you define "closed border". Though hardly a definitive authority, Wikipedia provided about the clearest discussion that I could find with just a quick search... quote: An open border is a border that allows unrestricted entry and exit... Closed borders restrict migration and naturalization by non-citizens. While it can be debated just how "closed" the US border is and how effectively our rules are enforced, what seems obvious is that the US does not have an open border. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic not even close Really? Not even close? Let's see... Is the US a closed border country? Well, you could argue that it is not as restrictive as East Germany was; we do not have a guarded wall preventing anyone from coming in or going out. However, we also clearly do not have an open border as there are restrictions. Not just anyone can up and decide to move here to live and work. Is the US an armed society? Again, you could argue for a strict interpretation. Certainly not every single citizen of the US possesses a firearm. However, as has been pointed out numerous times, arming oneself in this country is a fairly easy process with few restrictions. According to one Reuters article, there are 90 guns for every 100 citizens in the US. Sounds like a fairly "armed" society, to me. Is everyone is the US free? Define free. Sure, there are some incarcerated individuals... and some who consider themselves to be the property of others. But I believe that generally in this country, as long as people conduct themselves within the scope of the law, then they are considered free to move about as they please and live their lives however they wish. That's pretty free, I think. So... just how is this "not even close"?

Real0ne -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 6:37:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Steponme73 If the federal government closed the borders we would not have a problem. An armed country is a free country. REMEMBER THAT! Looked what happened to Germany in the 30's when Hitler took guns away from the citizen's. And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." Thats why? This has to be the single dumbest(amongst some 15,000 dumb assed posts)post you have ever put forth. Please take a minute and look at the problems presented to the Allies by a cross channel invasion of occupied Europe......please look at the logistical nightmare of landing so many men ,and so much material .The amount of landing craft needed...the different types of landing craft needed. And than come back here and tell us again how private gun ownership was the one bar the Japanese could not overcome. What was it you did in the coast guard? we did it lol

Real0ne -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 7:14:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY Really? Not even close? Let's see... Is the US a closed border country? Look to the treaty of Hildago. Now I have no personally investigated this one by my sources claim it was never properly ratified with mexico and technically the whole southwest still belongs in the mexican territory. How do you close someone elses borders?. Well, you could argue that it is not as restrictive as East Germany was; we do not have a guarded wall preventing anyone from coming in or going out. However, we also clearly do not have an open border as there are restrictions. Not just anyone can up and decide to move here to live and work. Is the US an armed society? Again, you could argue for a strict interpretation. Certainly not every single citizen of the US possesses a firearm. True but you can also argue that there are more "KNOWN" guns in the hands of the public than there is public in the US. However, as has been pointed out numerous times, arming oneself in this country is a fairly easy process with few restrictions. According to one Reuters article, there are 90 guns for every 100 citizens in the US. Sounds like a fairly "armed" society, to me. Its now over, new gun sales increased to the tune of 1.5 million per year when ohaha was elected. Is everyone is the US free? Define free. Sure, there are some incarcerated individuals... and some who consider themselves to be the property of others. Prisons are BIG business in the US. Its all bonded and monetized which incidently proves you are nothing more than a commodity to the government but thats another topic. we have 25% of the worlds population and 65% of the words prisoners if I remember the number correct and most are in for "stuff" that has no REAL injury to another involved. Its sad but you all let your common law "RIGHTS" slip right out the window when you all fail to protest the shit out of these crap ordinances and learn that statutes are private by-laws. No one can connect the dots that they only way a state can be independent of other states is IF their law is private to their state! Likewise county to county and city to city with their ordinances! People are not taught the foundations of their own gubmint and they wonder why they cannot make anything better. For instance fixing the door knob does not repair the intended leaky sink. But I believe that generally in this country, as long as people conduct themselves within the scope of the law, then they are considered free to move about as they please and live their lives however they wish. That's pretty free, I think. So... just how is this "not even close"? sure define law? by-law? ordinance? I just ran into a person who's kid a gal who is an honor student minor never did a damn thing to anyone was fined 200 bucks for having a beer at a party as the cops raided the place not because there was riotous or nuisance activity but because they had a tip from a squealer that there was a party believed to have minors. Now I do not agree with minors getting wasted but I disagree even more with the AMERICAN POLICE STATE violating everyones rights and adding insult to injury with a fine issued upon unlawful entry to a property without cause other than performing their job as a re-venue nazi.

mnottertail -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 7:29:07 AM)
Uhhhhhh.........usual asswipe. No unlawful entry.

truckinslave -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 8:18:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Am I missing anything? Many things. Among the most obvious: 1. It is illegal, already, to buy guns "in bulk" without an FFL. 2. The United States is hardly the sole international supplier. The cartels have the money actually to buy "in bulk"- that is, by the container load. Strraight from/in China. 3. It is less fanciful to suggest that we should encourage gun sales to Mexican drug cartels in the hopes that Mexico will then close the border on their fucking side than to suggest that American arms are the cause of our massive illegal alien problem (which is kinda funny in itself, since most libs are open-border bleeding hearts anyway).

truckinslave -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 8:21:47 AM)
But subrob, they broke the law when they bought the guns!!!!! Clearly we need more laws!!!!!!

DomKen -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 10:19:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Steponme73 If the federal government closed the borders we would not have a problem. An armed country is a free country. REMEMBER THAT! Looked what happened to Germany in the 30's when Hitler took guns away from the citizen's. And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." Learn some actual history please.

popeye1250 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 10:22:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Joether, if the federal govt. was actually doing it's job this wouldn't be an issue, would it? Yet, anytime a state tries to do something about it the feds again say that immigration is "their job" and continue not to do, ... "their job!" WOW! You completely ignore 95% of what was stated in my post, and 100% of the link, just to make a comment on 'illegal immigrants'. Do you have no ability to see the 'cause & effect' in action here? WOW! You can't connect the dots? Are you really THIS dumb all the time? You couldn't admit your off topic, nor can you admit after I pointed that out, that your STILL off topic. You seem to have a problem with facts and evidence. You must be a fanatical follower of Fox News. Joether, would it be so difficult to simply say you disagree with me without employing all the hystrionics?

subrob1967 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 10:24:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave But subrob, they broke the law when they bought the guns!!!!! Clearly we need more laws!!!!!! You're right! We all know the power a piece of paper has when it comes to stopping criminals from ignoring the existing pieces of paper...

tazzygirl -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 10:24:49 AM)
quote: Many things. Among the most obvious: 1. It is illegal, already, to buy guns "in bulk" without an FFL. Uh huh... and its illegal to sell guns without a background check... unless you buy at a gun show.

truckinslave -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 11:26:22 AM)
tg, it's really not the issue some imagine it to be. The ATF used to recommend (read: require) an FFL for anyone who sold more than five guns per year. And all sales by FFLs are required to meet the background check, fill out the registration paperwork etc. The only thing unregulated is sales between individuals. Do you think you should be required to register the sale of books? Guns have an Amendment too, and it has in fact always been an individual right.

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 11:54:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Could you give me an example of a country that has closed borders and an armed society where everyone is free please? Ummm... the United States? not even close Sparta! Spartans! Prepare for glory! [image]local://upfiles/844959/E7F3BADF185F45118D133C9CEBCEF165.jpg[/image]

tazzygirl -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 11:55:34 AM)
You are speaking of FFL's. Not all gun's are sold through FFL's. Nor are they ( the non FFL sellers) required to do background checks. We have laws that prevent certain individuals from being legally able to purchase a gun. By using this method, they can circumvent these laws. Im surprised that you consider that ok.

truckinslave -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 4:26:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl We have laws that prevent certain individuals from being legally able to purchase a gun. By using this method, they can circumvent these laws. It is illegal for anyone knowingly to sell a firearm to a felon, the mentally ill, to someone known to want it to commit a crime, etc etc. People break the law in many many ways. The most common way for felons to obtain guns is to steal them.

tazzygirl -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/26/2011 9:52:36 PM)
Those at gun shows who are not FFL's are not required, except in a select few states, to do any background checks on anyone. They can sell to whom they please, and sell them as many guns as they want. Not only that, but most of the sellers are cash-n-carry. No paper trail, no way to tell who sold what to whom.

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