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truckinslave -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 6:09:36 AM)
"Do you even have a vague notion of what the US Constitution was designed to do? By this statement of yours, it would be an educated guess that you dont." It was designed to allow the people to establish a federal government whose powers were severely limited, and would remain so.

joether -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 10:18:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave "Do you even have a vague notion of what the US Constitution was designed to do? By this statement of yours, it would be an educated guess that you dont." It was designed to allow the people to establish a federal government whose powers were severely limited, and would remain so. It was designed to explain how all persons are handled, that are found under the govermenet's control. The US Constitution was meant to change as the country changed. And indeed it has. But point out where the founding fathers mention how to handle a country that has 308 million people in it? The #1 Ass-Kicking Military in the world? And fifty, NOT, thirteen states? The real reason you want the system simple, is not because you hate Big Goverment; your just simple minded. You dont want to spend the time, reading the bills that come before congress. Or the history that led up to a particular regulation being put in place. Or the real reason(s) why the goverment spends money on a particular item. No, that is just to much information and knowledge to wrap your head around. Unfortunately for you, that's the modern US Goverment. Its YOUR responsibility to read the bills, check the information, and vote. Its YOUR responisibility to think for yourself, and not allow others to think for you! Limited goverment would mean more illegal immigrants flowing across the border. You sure you want limited goverment?

slvemike4u -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 10:29:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave "Our gun laws are designed to prevent those who have committed crimes from doing so again with a gun in his/her hand. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that." Well, yeah. But I'd apply that sentiment in favor of the death penalty and give the car thief a break. Simply fucking amazing!A man who,as evidenced by his posting history,has no charity in his heart,would fire a man as a result of a voting choice,is willing to give the "car thief a break" when the issue is gun ownership! The guy is a softie...who would have ever guessed it ?

Arpig -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 10:38:04 AM)
quote: If the federal government closed the borders we would not have a problem. An armed country is a free country. REMEMBER THAT! Looked what happened to Germany in the 30's when Hitler took guns away from the citizen's. Actually he didn't, what he did do was forbid Jews from owning weapons. The major gun control law in Germany was passed in 1928, well before Hitler came to power, and was designed to prevent people like the Nazis from forming private armies. Please learn a little about the reality of a situation before you spout nonsense.

Musicmystery -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 10:41:30 AM)
quote: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ Why don't they just steal them? They're criminals, after all. Everybody complicates things.

popeye1250 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 10:41:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Joether, "the 2nd was meant to "allow" towns and villages to protect themselves from Indians, brigands, pirates and crime." Oh, so one day those towns and villages had to take whatever the indians, brigands, and pirates dished out but on the next day after the 2 nd amendment they were "allowed" to fight back? I can just see them on th ramparts, "Boy, you bastards just wait 'till we get that piece of 2nd amendment paper any day now!" So, one day they can't fight back, the next day they can? Do you live in fantasy land? Before the United States existed, there was no 2nd Amendent, right? Afterward, the 2nd Amendment applied. During the before and after, those towns/villages defended themselves as needed. Your concept just doesn't make sense. quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Our government doesn't exist to be "allowing" anyone or anything to do whatever. They don't "grant" rights to anyone. Do you even have a vague notion of what the US Constitution was designed to do? By this statement of yours, it would be an educated guess that you dont. quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 As for Militias any three people can constitute a militia. And by "well-regulated" it would certainly mean being proficient with weapons, being familiar with the local topography, having sufficient weapons/ammunition stocks/supplies in place and having some type of rank structure in place. Are they held accountable to anything or anyone? Or are they just allowed to do what ever they want, because they have guns, ammo, are well trained, and gave each other arbitary ranks? quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 They don't need "permission" from any "state" to do that or to be "sanctioned" by any state, why would they? Now there's the difference between 'brigands' and 'a well regulated militia'. Brigands don't care what the state/goverment wishs, they're outlaws and thugs. A well regulated militia, is held accountable to the state/goverment, to which, is held accountable to the populace. quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 The ones today seem to have a "need" to be told what to do and how to think and for whatever reason seem to look to govt buearocrats to tell them what to do and how to think. But, they think they're "free." I wouldn't want them in my militia they'd turn into spies. So you rather a militia operate without principles, dicipline, regulations, and duty? And just do 'whatever they want on the spur of the moment'? In a way, you just insulted ever soldier in our military. Since, they take their orders from '...govt buearocrats...'. Or did you forget that President Obama is the Commander in Chief? Joether, you just keep demonstrating your *need* to be told what to do by,... "the state", you require it don't you? So,....if you were in a militia you'd feel the need to,....."report to someone?" Like,....in an office maybe a hundred miles away? Joether, I'm talking about the militias,.... not the military. And no, militia's aren't accountable to "the state", why would they be? They're accountable to "The People." They're more localized. I don't know where you get a lot of that stuff, there must be a "manifesto" someplace, right? Why do you feel that you need, for lack of a better term,..."permission" from the state before you do something? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe that's a little contradictory to what this country stands for? I mean don't you trust yourself? And moreso than some govt beuraucrat sitting in an office behind a desk? It's supposed to be the other way around, the "state" needs permission from "The People" before they do anything! Boy, they used to have good schools in Massachusetts, what the hell happened up there? Even the colleges are slipping. Are you guys embracing communism or something?

Arpig -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 10:42:02 AM)
quote: And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." LOL...LMAO....ROFLMAO....Man you just have no idea do you, the Japanese never had any intention of invading the US, they were engaged in one unwinnable land war in China already, they didn't have enough troops to invade the US, sheer size alone dictates that it would require millions of troops, something they just didn't have to spare. Please do some reading of genuine serious history, it would do you some good, and you wouldn't look quite so dumb when you post.

Arpig -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 10:58:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave "Firearms were created for one purpose: Military Applications. " That is just absurd. Care to take another crack at it? as absurd as you feel it is, it happens to be 100% correct.

Moonhead -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 11:35:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 And no, militia's aren't accountable to "the state", why would they be? They're accountable to "The People." They're more localized. They're not actually accountable to anybody. That's why so many of "The People" have a problem with the idea of militias, you'll find.

slvemike4u -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 1:02:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." LOL...LMAO....ROFLMAO....Man you just have no idea do you, the Japanese never had any intention of invading the US, they were engaged in one unwinnable land war in China already, they didn't have enough troops to invade the US, sheer size alone dictates that it would require millions of troops, something they just didn't have to spare. Please do some reading of genuine serious history, it would do you some good, and you wouldn't look quite so dumb when you post. Troops? Forget about troops....how about the logistical requirements needed to land the ficticious troops ? I'm afraid I shall forever think of this post,and the lack of intellect behind it,everytime the sailor posts again....it is fucking hilarious.

popeye1250 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 2:28:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." LOL...LMAO....ROFLMAO....Man you just have no idea do you, the Japanese never had any intention of invading the US, they were engaged in one unwinnable land war in China already, they didn't have enough troops to invade the US, sheer size alone dictates that it would require millions of troops, something they just didn't have to spare. Please do some reading of genuine serious history, it would do you some good, and you wouldn't look quite so dumb when you post. Troops? Forget about troops....how about the logistical requirements needed to land the ficticious troops ? I'm afraid I shall forever think of this post,and the lack of intellect behind it,everytime the sailor posts again....it is fucking hilarious. Mike, you don't watch the History Channel do you?

tweakabelle -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/30/2011 2:55:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 And no, militia's aren't accountable to "the state", why would they be? They're accountable to "The People." They're more localized. Militias are accountable to "the People" ...... ? Really? How so? What is the process of accountability? AFAIK there is none. One of the reasons why we have States, laws etc is to protect the people from self-appointed unregulated militias. One example of a State with a powerful militia system is Afghanistan. Except what happens there is "The People" are accountable to the militias and the warlords who run them. Most people regard that as tyranny. Iraq has a powerful militia system too. Iraq's militias are the groups responsible for the sectarian slaughter prevalent in Iraq a few years ago. Does anyone seriously believe that those countries are role models for Western democracies? Private self-appointed militias, accountable to no one but themselves, are dangers to freedom, inimical to democracy and a stepping stone to domination by self appointed self important tyrants and warlords. They provide a route to power for fanatics and meglomaniacs who are totally incapable of gaining the trust, confidence or mandates of citizens through the ballot box. Edited at a secret location in hiding from fanatics

KenDckey -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 4:46:27 AM)
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/31/20110131arizona-gun-bill-aims-loosen-laws.html Senate Bill 1201, sponsored by Sen. Ron Gould, R-Lake Havasu City, would do a number of things, including: - Allow people to carry firearms into all government-run facilities and many public events. The only places or events that could ban firearms would be those that post the correct sign, provide firearm lockers and have armed security and a metal detector. The law would apply to university classrooms, city buses and community festivals that get government permits. It would not apply to K-12 schools. - Change the wording of last year's concealed-weapons law to require an individual to answer "truthfully" when a law-enforcement officer asks whether the person is carrying a concealed weapon. The current wording requires the person to answer "accurately." Law-enforcement officials say the change could give leeway to a person who, for example, forgets a gun in a bag and inaccurately tells an officer he or she isn't carrying one. - Change the wording of Shannon's Law to make it a crime to "knowingly" discharge a firearm within city limits. It's currently a crime for someone to discharge a firearm with "criminal negligence." Bill opponents said the change would mean people could be convicted of violating this law only if the prosecution could prove they knew that shooting the gun could result in someone's death or injury. - Allow people to sue if they feel they were illegally stopped from carrying a firearm into a government facility or event. If a person wins the lawsuit and the government agency doesn't pay within 72 hours, the person has the right to seize as payment "any municipal vehicles used or operated for the benefit of any elected office holder" in the relevant government agency. UGH This goes to far I believe.

slvemike4u -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 5:12:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." LOL...LMAO....ROFLMAO....Man you just have no idea do you, the Japanese never had any intention of invading the US, they were engaged in one unwinnable land war in China already, they didn't have enough troops to invade the US, sheer size alone dictates that it would require millions of troops, something they just didn't have to spare. Please do some reading of genuine serious history, it would do you some good, and you wouldn't look quite so dumb when you post. Troops? Forget about troops....how about the logistical requirements needed to land the ficticious troops ? I'm afraid I shall forever think of this post,and the lack of intellect behind it,everytime the sailor posts again....it is fucking hilarious. Mike, you don't watch the History Channel do you? You intend to blame this stupidity on the History Channel ?

subrob1967 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 7:58:01 AM)
quote: Isakoru Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.” This is the quote Popeye is talking about.

popeye1250 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 10:19:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: And that's why the Japs never tried to invade the U.S. during WW2, as one of their Admirals or Generals said, "there is a gun behind every tree in the U.S." LOL...LMAO....ROFLMAO....Man you just have no idea do you, the Japanese never had any intention of invading the US, they were engaged in one unwinnable land war in China already, they didn't have enough troops to invade the US, sheer size alone dictates that it would require millions of troops, something they just didn't have to spare. Please do some reading of genuine serious history, it would do you some good, and you wouldn't look quite so dumb when you post. Troops? Forget about troops....how about the logistical requirements needed to land the ficticious troops ? I'm afraid I shall forever think of this post,and the lack of intellect behind it,everytime the sailor posts again....it is fucking hilarious. Mike, you don't watch the History Channel do you? You intend to blame this stupidity on the History Channel ? Mike, what is it with you lefties? You seem to have an ingrained "need" to be told what to do by some sort of,....."government." It's like you crave "permission" to live your lives. What the hell is that all about? Are you and Joether cousins or something? Have you two seen a doctor about that? Freedom frightens you doesn't it?

Aylee -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 10:34:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Do you even have a vague notion of what the US Constitution was designed to do? By this statement of yours, it would be an educated guess that you dont. The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

truckinslave -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 10:40:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave "Do you even have a vague notion of what the US Constitution was designed to do? By this statement of yours, it would be an educated guess that you dont." It was designed to allow the people to establish a federal government whose powers were severely limited, and would remain so. It was designed to explain how all persons are handled that is so wrong on so many levels that there is no reason to continue. Never has been, really.

mnottertail -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 10:43:58 AM)
Well, if the criminals can get a good deal buying guns in bulk, it would seem that we see capitalism as it is meant to work, and maybe the nutsuckers will let the government buy medications in bulk to save the US taxpayers some money.

popeye1250 -> RE: Criminals buying guns in bulk....from AZ (1/31/2011 10:44:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave "Do you even have a vague notion of what the US Constitution was designed to do? By this statement of yours, it would be an educated guess that you dont." It was designed to allow the people to establish a federal government whose powers were severely limited, and would remain so. It was designed to explain how all persons are handled that is so wrong on so many levels that there is no reason to continue. Never has been, really. Truckin',..."let their chains set lightly upon them..."

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