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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Ahhhh...the old "it cannot be me posting offensive things it must be the clique" argument.

Sorry, dude. Just as you are allowed to post whatever nonsense you want to post, anyone is free to reply as they see fit.

And those who don't even fit the stereotype you are bashing can have an opinion, you know, because, like, it's a free world out there in forum world.

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ORIGINAL: StuntmanMike
No one said you couldn't post. That's you reading into things. What was said is that it's odd that someone would be offended by a question or statement that had absolutely nothing at all to do with them. You're a female, yet a question about male submissives offends you? That's rather odd, don't you think?

That would be like me being offended by someone asking a question about submissive females. I'm neither submissive nor a female. So for me to be offended by such a question would be silly.

The problem without our society today is that no one takes the time to think anymore. We just react. We have TV shows and advertising that appeals strictly to the lowest common denominator, removing the need for any thought whatsoever. A guy comes to a forum to ask a *question* based on things he's seen. And the people here react without taking the time to understand the sentiment or catalyst for the question. Instead, they just read the question as a statement, as though the OP flat-out called every submissive man that walks the planet a pussy. That's as irrational as it is illogical.

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ORIGINAL: StuntmanMike

You're a female, yet a question about male submissives offends you? That's rather odd, don't you think?

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A guy comes to a forum to ask a *question* based on things he's seen. And the people here react without taking the time to understand the sentiment or catalyst for the question. Instead, they just read the question as a statement, as though the OP flat-out called every submissive man that walks the planet a pussy. That's as irrational as it is illogical.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Unless you actually know that she is a submissive female because you are aware of her posting history or you've read her profile, you're doing the same thing. 

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Wouldn't a person think that the generalization of submissive males being categorized that way might be offensive to Dominant women?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
If I came on here and created a post saying that I believe submissive women have no back bone, I'd be put right not only by submissive females, but also by the Dominants who care for them.  In fact, I'd be damn surprised if the men weren't all over Me for insulting the people they care about.  As a Dominant man, do you tolerate people making derogatory comments about your girl or her orientation?  I'd certainly hope not.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Not really. Insulting an entire demographic is something that a lot of people find offensive. That is what the OP did.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Now do you get it? Wouldn't you consider somebody who said that to be an obnoxious little cretin?

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The question contained an implication that was insulting. Now, imagine turning the clock back to 1960 and read the following modification of the statement made by the OP. If you can't see why it would be offensive, you have something lacking in you:

"I should amend this to say "Why are gay men such pussies" because it seems like the gay women I know are pretty good. Plus gay women for the most part are pretty kickass. But there's something about gay men that makes them whiny pussies and I want to know what it is.

I can't complain. A few of us gay men are awesome dudes and all the whiny dramatic emo type nonsense from the others only makes us stand out more. But is it something in the nature of gay men to be this way? Or is it more like there are dudes out there who are wussy, dimwitted, overly emotional jellyfish and they figure if they can't be the lead singer for some Fallout Boy ripoff band they may as well become self-proclaimed gays?"

Now do you get it? Wouldn't you consider somebody who said that to be an obnoxious little cretin?

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Suddenly, tons of people who did not even fit said group, reacted to the question as though the OP kicked their dog.

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ORIGINAL: StuntmanMike
Nope. You see, I'm not gay and this isn't 1960. So the question as you've worded it wouldn't offend me in the slightest.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Suddenly, tons of people who did not even fit said group, reacted to the question as though the OP kicked their dog.

No they didn't. They ate popcorn and/or politely tried to show the troll the error of his ways. No outrage here. I'm feeling ennui myself.

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ORIGINAL: TotallyDude

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are dommes oussies too?

Well I am not sure how germane this is to the thread but sure, some dommes are wimps too. The "Oh honey you lay still while I kiss your chest" types who never want to cause pain or tie anybody up or anything. That's fine for some dudes but I figure those are just women who want a boyfriend who is too wussy to ever walk out on them.

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Far out.

So, assuming you're not Jewish, you wouldn't mind if someone came on and made exactly the same comment, included in which was an insulting implication, about Jews rather than sub males? Seriously, Mike, aren't you being just a tad obtuse, here?

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If a domme wants to kiss her sub's chest, then she can. Domination isn't just about whips and handcuffs. It's a state of mind and about being in control of the situation. I'll kiss my boyfriend's chest any damn time I want, as he's my sub and I get what I want when I want from him, no matter what it is.

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Not to mention the fact that the OP didn't come here and make a statement. He asked a question. A statement ends with a "." A question has a "?" His was question that was based, no doubt, on things he's witnessed. He asked the question in a provocative way, but not necessarily am inflammatory one.

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But there's something about sub dudes that makes them whiny pussies and I want to know what it is.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: StuntmanMike
Nope. You see, I'm not gay and this isn't 1960. So the question as you've worded it wouldn't offend me in the slightest.

Far out.

So, assuming you're not Jewish, you wouldn't mind if someone came on and made exactly the same comment, included in which was an insulting implication, about Jews rather than sub males? Seriously, Mike, aren't you being just a tad obtuse, here?

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ORIGINAL: StuntmanMike
I didn't say she was a submissive female. I said she was a female. And I'm doing nothing but asking a question.

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Why would they think that? A dominant woman has no reason to be offended by the way someone sees submissive men. Again, it goes back to my example of me, a straight, dominant man being offended by a generalization about submissive females. It just doesn't make sense. I'm neither submissive, nor a female. So what the hell do I care about a generalization made about them? It doesn't apply to me in the slightest.

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And that would be just as illogical and irrational. Not to mention the fact that the OP didn't come here and make a statement. He asked a question. A statement ends with a "." A question has a "?" His was question that was based, no doubt, on things he's witnessed. He asked the question in a provocative way, but not necessarily am inflammatory one.

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Yet, people here predictably reacted as though he was standing there, arms raised and declaring henceforth that all submissive males were pussies. It's a fairly common reaction, but again, that's why it amuses me.

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You see, if I asked a provocative question about a group of people, I'd expect people in that group might be...provoked. But I wouldn't necessarily expect people not in that group to feel....anything....as I'm not talking to them.

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It's basically a matter of security. Those who are secure in themselves enough to know he's not talking about them are those who are not offended by his question. Those who are so offended by his question that they just have to jump his ass are those who, on some level, feel like he's attacking them. But hes' not.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
Bullshit. From the OP:

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But there's something about sub dudes that makes them whiny pussies and I want to know what it is.

That would be a statement.

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I should amend this to say "Why are straight sub dudes such pussies" because it seems like the gay sub dudes I know are pretty good dudes.

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Bro. Look at what you just typed and think it over. Do you really want to equate the genuine oppression faced by the gay community with a comment on a message board about subbie dudes? I mean you seem to be one of the top tier dudes here and so I'm sure that here nobody will really call you on it, but you also seem clever enough to know in your heart what a shitty move that is.

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Oh and dude, on the real, "obnoxious little cretin?" So harsh! Are you angry I caught your embarrassing grammatical error on that silly little poll question you tried to post? Coz I wouldn't worry about that it could happen to a lot of people.

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ORIGINAL: TotallyDude

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If a domme wants to kiss her sub's chest, then she can. Domination isn't just about whips and handcuffs. It's a state of mind and about being in control of the situation. I'll kiss my boyfriend's chest any damn time I want, as he's my sub and I get what I want when I want from him, no matter what it is.

Grrrrr! I like you Princess. Nobody puts baby in the corner!

But for real now, if all a Domme ever wants to do is just have her sub lie back languidly while she strokes his hair, she's a wimp and he's a wimp too. It doesn't mean she's not a "real Domme" or whatever and she's free to have those desires and act on them. I'm just saying, it's a wimpy little form of power exchange and it wouldn't be my cup of tea. That's all.

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No, it's a matter of speaking up for someone who is intimately involved in My life.  If the OP isn't talking about owned submissive males, he might want to clarify.  Something I asked him about earlier in the thread.

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Are you an asshole who is prejudiced against sub men?