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"Bro". *Chuckle*.

TD, sorry, but you brought the analogy on yourself. It fits because you used the same habits of mind that were prevalent back then. You came across like the standard bollocks-for-brains that wandered around swallowing every prejudice that was going around during those days.

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ORIGINAL: TotallyDude
Oh did I not clarify that to Your satisfaction? I thought I'd answered that but I'm doing several things at once.

There is a very clear difference between owned and unowned subs which I should have made clear in my first post but it would be cheating to go back and edit it now. It's both natural and appropriate that owned subs will fit within the dynamic they find themselves. When owned, a sub (the kind of sub I don't consider a wimp) will submit both proudly and totally to his Mistress.

My complaint is with the particular kind of brokeback downward-gazing perpetually apologetic wimpy dude who slithers around spineless and behaves as though he is "submitting" to any woman who will look at/talk to/type at him. And even then understand I'm not making a moral judgment. Dudes can be like that if they want to be. But I'm still like "Tee hee hee what a pussy."

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Sure it does.  See, one of those submissive men happens to be owned by Me.  That makes it My concern.  Perhaps we're just different personality types. 

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Just because a person puts a question mark at the end of a derogatory comment doesn't mean that he had honorable intentions. 

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I could do the same thing.

Are you an asshole who is prejudiced against sub men?

Now, that looks like a question, but it could also be see as I'm trying to get confirmation on My opinion of you as an asshole who is prejudiced against sub men.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I see it like this.  I've yet to see a vast majority of Dominant women come to these boards or anywhere in real life and say they think the person collared to them is a pussy.  I don't see a lot of it from other demographics, either.  Sure, there will be the random guy who has put the Dom label on himself who will belittle sub men on a message board.  Doesn't happen often in person though.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Again, I think we're different personalities.  I wouldn't tolerate anybody speaking badly of My submissive anymore than I would if they tried talking badly about My husband.  Like most Dominants, I'm the protective type.

No, it's a matter of speaking up for someone who is intimately involved in My life.  If the OP isn't talking about owned submissive males, he might want to clarify.  Something I asked him about earlier in the thread.

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ORIGINAL: StuntmanMike

You're just not understanding my point. You cannot be offended "for" someone.

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I'll say that one more time for posterity. He asked a QUESTION.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Yes, you can. You *can* be offended for someone, Mike. If you look around, you will find evidence of this phenomenon everywhere. It's a mark of a someone who has human feeling for other humans.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
And I'll say, one more time, that his question contained an insult.

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Nah mate, the thing is when you make an analogy in which you compare horny net geek subbies (on the internet!) to real-life gays/African Americans/Jews/feminists/Aboriginals/etc it just looks a tiny bit daffy and all that rot don't it? I mean because the former group is mostly made up of dudes whose idea of hardship is coping with the fact that Joss Whedon won't be involved in the feature length Buffy movie (and hey I know I'm totally bummed too) whereas the latter groups face real discrimination and even violence from assorted bigots.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
Even better: "Why are dominant men assholes who are prejudiced against sub men?"
Yup, still looks like a question, but doesn't ask if dominant men are assholes and prejudiced, only why they are. It also makes a sweeping and incorrect statement about dominant men.

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ORIGINAL: TotallyDude

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Perhaps if you described this in terms of their behaviors rather than calling them names, you would get more headway.  Assuming, of course, that you want a genuine answer to your question.  Because I'm at a complete loss to know what specific behaviors or characteristics you're referring to.

Yeah dude that's fair. I guess even if I'm pretty sure a pussy knows he's a pussy, it's still only fair to lay it all bare and enumerate a few of the behaviors I mean. When I think of a pussy I think of a dude who:

won't stand up for himself
won't make a decision
won't articulate an opinion unless he knows he's allowed to have that opinion
won't make the first move
slinks off as soon as he is challenged
tries to hide his talents so he doesn't outshine the people he is around
won't say or do anything unless he feels like it will impress someone he is trying to impress

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But the difference is that the dominant men who are secure enough to know they aren't in that group wouldn't care. Hell, many dominant men I've met, myself included, seem to take pride when being called an asshole. I doubt they'd take offense to such a question. I know I wouldn't.

If I saw an OP that said (as you worded it) "Why are dominant men assholes who are prejudiced against sub men?" I might reply with "Well, we're assholes by nature and because women secretly like us that way. We're prejudiced against sub men because they seem to go against what we perceive as natural roles." However, I wouldn't take offense in the slightest.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
Oh, so if something wouldn't bother you, it shouldn't bother anyone else, because it's all about you.
Apparently, I missed a memo.

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TD, sorry, but you brought the analogy on yourself. It fits because you used the same habits of mind that were prevalent back then. You came across like the standard bollocks-for-brains that wandered around swallowing every prejudice that was going around during those days.

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ORIGINAL: StuntmanMike
So you are proclaiming your sub man to be a pussy? Am I reading this statement right? The thread was originally asking a question about why sub men seem to be such pussies. Here you are saying (and I quote) "one of those submissive men happens to be owned by me." Are you saying, then, that your man is a pussy?

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But it doesn't mean he didn't, either.

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You could indeed do the same thing. But a secure person would reply "No. I am an asshole, but I'm not prejudiced." And then the matter is resolved. I would not, however, come back with an irrational reaction, attacking your question as a direct insult to my character.

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Ok. But how many numerous threads have you seen where a self-proclaimed sub male comes here to grovel and beg and then complain that he can't find a domme? I've seen TONS. And I see it in chat rooms a lot. Come to think of it, I've even been to parties where a sub male slinked his way up to a pair of seemingly dominant women and asked if they needed a footstool. Two people he'd never met before and his opener was "do you need a footstool?"

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Everyone's experiences are different. Perhaps the OP has just seen way too many of the groveling types. How are we to know? My point is, he did *not* come here and say "LadyPact's sub man is a pussy." So therefore, you are being offended by what you read into the question he asked.

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In the times when I have been in a relationship, sometimes my girl and I would chat online simultaneously. If someone directly attacked her, I'd stick up for her. If they didn't say anything directly about her, I'd simply let it go. Hell, often times when someone try and insult her, she did a handy job of putting them in their place without my assistance. Sometimes I'd get a private message saying "Your girl is poorly trained and isn't a real submissive." I'd just smile and say "Oh, she's only like that with jackass trolls who try and act self-important with her. I've never had that problem....must just be you." And then I'd click the lovely ignore button and be done with it. All the while she and I would laugh our asses off.

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There are many reasons in this world to get riled up if we are looking to be riled up. We don't have to invent them ourselves.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Since you don't know Me well, I'll give you some background.  I have very little concern for what people whine about on the internet.  I think the chat room gig is a waste of time unless a person is using it to make arrangements for real life. 

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Right on cue. Thank you for being as predictable as most women I've run into.

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So, there are two new self-important assholes on the boards? Great.

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The trolls are chock full now, and don't require further feeding, right?

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ORIGINAL: TotallyDude
See I'm getting concerned for you now because I can't tell if you're arguing in good faith or not. I'm like, "Shit, bro, can he really not see the difference between subbie dudes (on the internet) and gay dudes in the 60s?"

So I put it to you, do you really think that asking a (provocative) question about sub dudes is the same as having racial bigotry or being a homophobe or are you exaggerating the scope of your analogy for effect? Because if it's the former then, as the poet once said, "Wow. Dude. Wow." If it's the latter than I think you're doing a disservice to gays/Jews/all other victims of real bigotry in the name of trying to score points in a silly argument (on the internet). Using a tactic like this, I would argue, is an example of histrionic overreaction.