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Termyn8or -> RE: Man Up !!!Are kids being taught NOT to do that nowadays? (2/3/2011 4:31:16 AM)
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"I have avoided conflict all my life, when confronted with violence, yes I took the lumps without striking back...got my nose broken several times and a few teeth loosened as a result. I am no less a man because of my aversion to violent solutions"
You might find it hard to believe that I respect that. I mean coming from someone like me.......
But that doesn't mean I have to agree. I think that bullies need their asses kicked. It's a wonderful learning experience for them. In other words, don't kick their ass so much for personal satisfaction, but to make them think twice next time. To do otherwise can easily cause the bullies to become strongarm robbers or worse.
Avoiding a fight is one thing, that is highly commendable. But let's say someone tries to rob you at an ATM for example. In my case I would make it a point to make them hurt ALOT. Know why ? Because what of the next person there ? Surely you wouldn't just give them the money would you ? To let them turn their criminality into a profitable venture is wrong IMO.
The criminal mind is that of an animal, and to properly train an animal you use both positive and negative reinforcement. In a religious sense, what is more effective, the promise of Heaven or the threat of Hell ?
Though I hate to reference fiction, I remember an episode of the original Star Trek called Mirror Mirror. All the scifi in it is fascinating of course but forgotten is the race that lived on the planet. They had an essential mineral for the Federation, which was portrayed as the ultimate force of good. Used extensively in the technology of the time, this also included weaponry.
The planet's leaders would not sell the mineral and in our universe they would just bid them farewell and leave. In the other universe the "Empire" would destroy non-compliant races without a single thought, let alone a second one. In that case, why not live to possibly spread the word of pacifism ?
Didn't matter to them, stating that they were willing to die as a race to avoid being part of espousing violence, which I think in the plot they had rejected a long time before. But the Empire would simply level their civilisation and take what they want. This would render all of their higher morality and deepest ideals moot.
IMO, the creator of all things entrusted them with that planet and it's wealth of this precious mineral, and in their actions they were abdicating that responsibility.
In that light, I ask, what if you saw someone attacking another ? Believe me or not I witnessed what might have been a kidnapping a long time ago. I was in a line of cars waiting to make a left turn on Lorain Ave at W. 117th. Coming the other way on Lorain was a van, and there was a Woman walking down W. 117th. The van easily made a right turn, two guys jumped out and grabbed her, throwing her in the van and speeding off. Do you have any idea what I wanted to do ? Remember at the time there were no cellphones and even if there were I was not close enough to see the license plate number.
If I'd have been able to get over and folow them, I would've chased them down, and since I always drove indestructomobiles, I would have purposely hit the van HARD. But there was oncoming traffic and it was simply impossible. There was absolutely nothing I could do. If I would've even tried it would've resulted in a car wreck, one which I really couldn't call an accident.
You have the right to subject yourself to the violence of others, but do you have the right to make that decision for others ? To allow crimes to happen and do nothing ?
So, with all due respect, I (think I) disagree.
T^T
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