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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 7:20:54 AM   
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the difference is entirely defined between the people involved in teh relationship.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 7:22:28 AM   
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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 7:23:43 AM   
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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 8:30:49 AM   
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The traditional accepted definition of a slave was someone used for mostly economic purposes and held in bondage usually against their will who didn't benefit equally in the fruits of their labor.

With that is mind what is your idea on the differences between that and slave as you think of it?

What would keep this person bound to their owner?


The first one is actually a slave, the second is a person who fetishizes the word.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 8:44:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

The traditional accepted definition of a slave was someone used for mostly economic purposes and held in bondage usually against their will who didn't benefit equally in the fruits of their labor.

With that is mind what is your idea on the differences between that and slave as you think of it?

What would keep this person bound to their owner?


The first one is actually a slave, the second is a person who fetishizes the word.



an accepted meaning could be a slave to ones passions

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 9:02:45 AM   
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an accepted meaning could be a slave to ones passions


hyperbole ≠ objective reality

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 9:09:59 AM   
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an accepted meaning could be a slave to ones passions


hyperbole ≠ objective reality


1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" (Edward Gibbon).


1.
a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2.
a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 9:23:35 AM   
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1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" (Edward Gibbon).


1.
a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2.
a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.


The second is metaphorical based on the first.

I'd be more likely to believe people were using the word metaphorically if they didn't also use words like "property" and "ownership". Presumably those are also metaphorical.

But anyway, I'd say the difference between those two definitions is that the first is kept by external forces, the second is kept by internal forces.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 9:46:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: osf

1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" (Edward Gibbon).


1.
a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2.
a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.


The second is metaphorical based on the first.

I'd be more likely to believe people were using the word metaphorically if they didn't also use words like "property" and "ownership". Presumably those are also metaphorical.

But anyway, I'd say the difference between those two definitions is that the first is kept by external forces, the second is kept by internal forces.



a lot of what we do is with in a structure created by us

and I agree

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 1:42:44 PM   
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a slave has two choices....
you OBEY or you....don`t.



Sorry to be pedantic, but I think, technically, that's one choice. The word 'choice' already implies more than one thing to go for - that's contained in the definition of the word. But you could say 'a slave has two options'.


Being pedantic is not necessarily  bad thing, especially in a conversation that is, essentially, pedantic in it's nature.  After all, we are discussing the definition of the word "slave" in context and pedantry is absolutely required here.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/7/2011 8:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Going back the good (no so) old days, apprentices were in effect slaves to their Master who in return for providing training and experience together with a roof under which to sleep (sometimes with a straw palliass and a blanket ) as well as food, expected the apprentice to be at his bidding day and night with no time off or at least a couple of days over Christmas tpo visit parents. At about the same period, children were indentured to chimney sweeps to climb down a chimney to clean it (with a high mortality rate too). Children were working in horrendous conditions in mines and had a life expectation similar to the horses working there too. This is recent history after the Brits banned slavery and were actively intercepting slave ships heading to Port au Prince etc and the US. More recently slavery was legal in Ireland where you could be legally enslaved as a debtor until the debts were worked off.

NOW COMPARE THAT WITH

A male or female of legal age to consent, requests/begs to be collared as a slave to a specific Dominant. The reason being that the new slave wanted badly enough to experience this life or had already experienced it.... You know all the various reasons why any of your want to be collared. Certainly our slaves are not slaves in the historical sense. Still if it pleases you to play along and it pleases for someone to want to emulate a slave in your service, who is going to argue about the validity of what is just a label.


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