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Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 11:59:54 AM   
Nanako


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Hello sirs ^__^

try as I might, it would be hard to write this topic without seeming self centred so I'll admit I have personal interest in it. I'm going to try to divide this into simple, answerable questions. Also, questions 2 and 3 are kind of exclusive of each other, so you should probably just pick one of the two to answer

I'm looking for general thoughts here, about transsexual subs. MtF specifically in my case, but either is fine to talk about.
I identify here as a trans submissive, though to those in this scene it is farther divided into:

Transvestites: Those who crossdress and play the role of the opposite gender occasionally, for fun, release, kink or a variety of other reasons. It's not always sexual
Transgender: Those who are living fulltime as their desired gender, and possibly intend to one day have gender reassignment surgery

At the moment, I am more TV than TS, though who knows what the future would hold.
Q1: Do you see a practical difference in the above two, as it matters to you ? Would you have an interest in one but not the other? (assuming you have any interest at all)

In my little time around here so far, I have seen a few doms who identify as straight, and seeking female subs, but list trans subs amongs what they seek. I have got speaking to one and he seemed willing to take me on, but he stipulates that I would be secondary to any biological female he gets involved with, sub or not.

Q2: Generally only applicable if you don't have much interest in male subs; How do you view trans? In the above example, I get the feeling that this dom views trans subs as a stand-in for a female. An acceptable compromise, second choice, etc. Possibly due to the relative numbers of males to females on the site. Do you view trans subs as something seperate, or as a something that approximates a female sub

I have also seen a few gay doms here, who do not list trans subs among what the seek. I'm curious about these viewpoints as well

Q3: For doms who have an interest in male subs; how do you view a trans sub? Is an MtF trans sub "too female" for you?  Do you have any interest in crossdressing subs that identify as male? Would you expect different things from them than a male sub, if you did take one on?


Q4: How do you view crossdressing and feminization, from a fetish viewpoint? Do you find interest in it, and would you take on a trans sub for that purpose? Or, if you do take on a trans sub, would you expect to have that aspect of their life sorted on their own, so that you could concentrate on whatever other kinks you have in mind?

Q5: Aside from all of the above, do you have any other thoughts to share? If you are a dom that is not seeking trans subs, is it something you've considered? do you have concerns or thoughts about the subject? I don't know if I can offer to answer questions here, being that this forum is for me asking YOU stuff, but I can always answer by cmail.

Thank you for reading, and for any replies ^-^

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 12:18:56 PM   
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If it comes down to just friendship, I consider TGs to be people that have a unique gender perspective, having lived both sides.

The term CD/TV (in the case of MtF) means a whole spectrum, from men who occasionally dress in women's clothes for a kick, to those who develop alternate personas and try to live as a female.

I would be VERY leery of a genuine MtF TG. If nothing else, I assume that living a major part of their life being a male while wishing to be a female would have made for some major frustrations and possibly personality issues.

I'm not into men sexually, so a CD/TV would not be for me.


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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 12:25:06 PM   
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mmmmm not really getting your point /s

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 12:37:00 PM   
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I would be VERY leery of a genuine MtF TG. If nothing else, I assume that living a major part of their life being a male while wishing to be a female would have made for some major frustrations and possibly personality issues.


You assume incorrectly. I've got several post-op TG mates and the process of going through what they've been through, and keeping themselves and their sanity intact, means they're laid-back, easy-going types with great SoH.

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 12:49:43 PM   
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I'm not into men sexually, so a CD/TV would not be for me.



I agree & disagree on that
Igreeing on sexually not into anything with a penis
Disageeing on the sexual just the owrd have more than one meaning.in my thinking i guess
comforting domeone is a sexual, a hand stroke is sexual..etc

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 12:57:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
I would be VERY leery of a genuine MtF TG. If nothing else, I assume that living a major part of their life being a male while wishing to be a female would have made for some major frustrations and possibly personality issues.


It's not entirely clear what you mean here. a "genuine" MtF transsexual doesn't live any of their life as a male. Or do you refer to their past, of having lived as male before transition?

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 1:10:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nanako

Hello sirs ^__^

try as I might, it would be hard to write this topic without seeming self centred so I'll admit I have personal interest in it. I'm going to try to divide this into simple, answerable questions. Also, questions 2 and 3 are kind of exclusive of each other, so you should probably just pick one of the two to answer

I'm looking for general thoughts here, about transsexual subs. MtF specifically in my case, but either is fine to talk about.
I identify here as a trans submissive, though to those in this scene it is farther divided into:

Transvestites: Those who crossdress and play the role of the opposite gender occasionally, for fun, release, kink or a variety of other reasons. It's not always sexual
Transgender: Those who are living fulltime as their desired gender, and possibly intend to one day have gender reassignment surgery

At the moment, I am more TV than TS, though who knows what the future would hold.
Q1: Do you see a practical difference in the above two, as it matters to you ? Would you have an interest in one but not the other? (assuming you have any interest at all)

In my little time around here so far, I have seen a few doms who identify as straight, and seeking female subs, but list trans subs amongst what they seek. I have got speaking to one and he seemed willing to take me on, but he stipulates that I would be secondary to any biological female he gets involved with, sub or not.

Q2: Generally only applicable if you don't have much interest in male subs; How do you view trans? In the above example, I get the feeling that this dom views trans subs as a stand-in for a female. An acceptable compromise, second choice, etc. Possibly due to the relative numbers of males to females on the site. Do you view trans subs as something separate, or as a something that approximates a female sub

I have also seen a few gay doms here, who do not list trans subs among what the seek. I'm curious about these viewpoints as well

Q3: For doms who have an interest in male subs; how do you view a trans sub? Is an MtF trans sub "too female" for you? Do you have any interest in crossdressing subs that identify as male? Would you expect different things from them than a male sub, if you did take one on?


Q4: How do you view crossdressing and feminization, from a fetish viewpoint? Do you find interest in it, and would you take on a trans sub for that purpose? Or, if you do take on a trans sub, would you expect to have that aspect of their life sorted on their own, so that you could concentrate on whatever other kinks you have in mind?

Q5: Aside from all of the above, do you have any other thoughts to share? If you are a dom that is not seeking trans subs, is it something you've considered? do you have concerns or thoughts about the subject? I don't know if I can offer to answer questions here, being that this forum is for me asking YOU stuff, but I can always answer by cmail.

Thank you for reading, and for any replies ^-^




Good questions.
1. TV and TG are essentially the same. One is for fun, the other has an important need.
I do admit, My, um, focus(?) would be on a bio-fem. Generally speaking, and this has some weak places in the logic,
(a) A bio-female will be smaller than an MtF. Petiteness is important to Me.
(b) I am not a sex machine, but a bio-female would receive more fun from sex, thus (potentially) making a better partner.
Those are My not-completely-thought-out views on the question. To think one is just somehow "better" than the other is not right.
Neither would have any authority over the other. Neither would "have Master's ear" relative to the other.

2. A trans is not a second-rate product, to be replaced at the earliest opportunity. If I take a trans as My slave, it maintains its position---same as for any other slave! Sorry for the rant, but: To serve Me properly, My slave must surrender to Me. it cannot surrender, if it has "job security" fears! I think this is obvious, but others do not.

3. An MtF slave, like any other slave, is itself. A petite male is one thing. A large female is something else. To make a blanket characterization based on sex or size, is a poor idea, at best!
An FtM would not be expected to be as strong as a man. Reality is not going to change, just to please Me.

4. Part of an Owner's job is to support His property, so that it can serve Him as He needs. Known special needs of the property should have been thoroughly discussed, before the prospective property offered him-/her-self as property, and before the prospective Owner agreed to Ownership! Given this was discussed, and both halves agreed, there should be zero misunderstanding!
The Owner and His property do discuss Their needs in an ongoing manner. Therefore, they help each other.
Fetish: Feminization does not do much for Me, I do admit that. Making a woman dress as a man is not appealing, either.

5. I have "Trans sub" checked on My profile because I mean it. I considered the issue, before checking the box!

I have also checked "Couples". The learning, consideration, and training, periods are used to determine whether the prospective partners can fit closely enough to be what they need to be, for each other.

I do not feel I have properly hit the target. If you want more info, then message Me, to start a discussion.


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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 1:23:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nanako

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I would be VERY leery of a genuine MtF TG. If nothing else, I assume that living a major part of their life being a male while wishing to be a female would have made for some major frustrations and possibly personality issues.


It's not entirely clear what you mean here. a "genuine" MtF transsexual doesn't live any of their life as a male. Or do you refer to their past, of having lived as male before transition?



I meant their past.  Especially the formative years.


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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 1:58:58 PM   
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There's (in my opinion) a huge difference between a TV and someone who is TG. Any guy can put on woman's clothes if he enjoys them but being TG is a medical condition. A horrible, heart breaking one. To be trapped in the wrong gender's body is a reminder every second of every day that you don't feel whole. I have a friend who didn't have her surgery (MtF) until she was in her mid forties. She told me that the second she woke up after surgery and was able to check on what was down there now her whole life changed and she was finally happy. And I was fanatically happy for her. As for Doms........ There will always be bigots and ignorant people who don't understand that for some being a TV is the first steps they're taking to being TG. You are who you are baby and someone out there is looking for you. NbN

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 2:18:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nanako

Q1: Do you see a practical difference in the above two, as it matters to you ? Would you have an interest in one but not the other? (assuming you have any interest at all)



I judge a person not by the contents of their pants, but by the contents of their character. Someone who lives happily in the world as a man, but who dresses up as a woman for sexual pleasure, entertainment, or a different experience every now and then? I would relate to that person as male.

Someone living full time as a woman? Female. The surgery is kind of a red herring: it's extremely expensive (not covered by insurance) and doesn't accomplish a lot in the way of functionality, so a lot of women simply choose not to have it.

I've encountered people that I read as male while dressed as men, and female while dressed as women, but they are somewhat rare. I've also run into people who cheerfully flaunt gender binaries. I like them.

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In my little time around here so far, I have seen a few doms who identify as straight, and seeking female subs, but list trans subs amongs what they seek. I have got speaking to one and he seemed willing to take me on, but he stipulates that I would be secondary to any biological female he gets involved with, sub or not.



Red flag. Would you really want to be involved with someone who thinks of you as less of a person?

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Q2: Generally only applicable if you don't have much interest in male subs; How do you view trans? In the above example, I get the feeling that this dom views trans subs as a stand-in for a female. An acceptable compromise, second choice, etc. Possibly due to the relative numbers of males to females on the site. Do you view trans subs as something seperate, or as a something that approximates a female sub



They may exist. But personally, I'd want to be involved with someone who saw me as someone desirable for who I am, not someone who saw me as a stand-in for anything.

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Q3: For doms who have an interest in male subs; how do you view a trans sub? Is an MtF trans sub "too female" for you? 



An MtF woman is a woman. She may have to deal with trans prejudice, but I doubt that people uninterested in women would want her. The gay men I know go for the whole package, not just anything with a penis.

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Q4: How do you view crossdressing and feminization, from a fetish viewpoint? Do you find interest in it, and would you take on a trans sub for that purpose? Or, if you do take on a trans sub, would you expect to have that aspect of their life sorted on their own, so that you could concentrate on whatever other kinks you have in mind?



First off: not my kink. I have no problems playing with transgendered people or crossdressers, but it doesn't do anything for me sexually. They're just people, doing their gender thing. It's cool. I'm doing my gender thing too. It's just not sexually stimulating to me.

Second: I think that finding someone who will "sort things out for you" is probably not going to work. You can find someone willing to help you on your journey, but expecting another person to create all the change in your life is unfair to both of you. At some level, you have to decide on your own who you want to be.

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 2:48:09 PM   
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I've done sessions with trans but would never want a romantic relationship with one. Just the way I'm wired.

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 3:52:28 PM   
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Q1: Do you see a practical difference in the above two, as it matters to you ? Would you have an interest in one but not the other? (assuming you have any interest at all)
In the end, I'm straight so what floats my boat is a female body. I wouldn't be interested in either TS or TV.

Q2: Generally only applicable if you don't have much interest in male subs; How do you view trans?
I feel like this is a trick question. I try to see things for what they are. I see a trans as a trans. Why would I see such a person as something other than what they are?

Q3: For doms who have an interest in male subs; how do you view a trans sub?
n/a

Q4: How do you view crossdressing and feminization, from a fetish viewpoint?
We're not very fetishy so that wouldn't really be a viewpoint I'd occupy. I'd see them as activities which were not of interest to me but I also have no value judgement around other people's interest.

Q5: Aside from all of the above, do you have any other thoughts to share? If you are a dom that is not seeking trans subs, is it something you've considered?No, I never considered it. Again, the bottom line is that I'm attracted to women. I do not see a trans as a woman, I see them as a trans.

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 4:02:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527
Q2: Generally only applicable if you don't have much interest in male subs; How do you view trans?
I feel like this is a trick question. I try to see things for what they are. I see a trans as a trans. Why would I see such a person as something other than what they are?


It's not a trick question sir, but that was a trick answer. It's like if someone asks you, "what is an orange". A reasonable answer would be "an acidic citrus fruit surrounded in a thick skin, with soft edible flesh and seeds inside." but you've answered "an orange" which is a circular reference that doesn't explain anything.

The general point of Q2 is finding out the opinions of various doms. I have met some people who insist that they are straight, and consider a tg person (even just tv) to be female. Some people view tgs as a seperate, third gender. Others as an arbitrary point on an analogue gender scale and don't use specific terms like male or female. And some people just view an MtF as male, regardless of how far along the transition.

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 4:14:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: strangedesire

I've encountered people that I read as male while dressed as men, and female while dressed as women, but they are somewhat rare.


What did they do to elicit this line of thought from you? Is it simply a matter of being convincing enough as the other gender ?

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I've also run into people who cheerfully flaunt gender binaries. I like them.

This isn't quite clear. Did you mean "flout" or am I misunderstanding something ?

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Red flag. Would you really want to be involved with someone who thinks of you as less of a person?

Perhaps so, but is that dynamic not fairly common in BDSM, of a sub/slave being treated as less than an ordinary human.. Certainly, I see lots of dominants of both genders professing that they would treat their partners this way.

Personally, It's not my thing, no.

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Q4: How do you view crossdressing and feminization, from a fetish viewpoint? Do you find interest in it, and would you take on a trans sub for that purpose? Or, if you do take on a trans sub, would you expect to have that aspect of their life sorted on their own, so that you could concentrate on whatever other kinks you have in mind?




Second: I think that finding someone who will "sort things out for you" is probably not going to work. You can find someone willing to help you on your journey, but expecting another person to create all the change in your life is unfair to both of you. At some level, you have to decide on your own who you want to be.

I agree, wouldn't expect anyone to make that decision on my behalf. Helping on the journey is more what I meant

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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 5:23:21 PM   
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"The house is white on this side" - Robert Heinlein.

Oopsie! Anne said that. I remember this well, because My very young self was much impressed by her way of relating to the world.

I tend to behave the fair witness way, Myself, as it meets My needs. It is slow for Me to write, and confuses many people, but... !
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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 5:33:56 PM   
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Oopsie! Anne said that. I remember this well, because My very young self was much impressed by her way of relating to the world.

I tend to behave the fair witness way, Myself, as it meets My needs. It is slow for Me to write, and confuses many people, but... !
(The world certainly has changed, since the book came out! Unfortunately, much has not changed!)



Your writing and layout are almost impenetrable at times, and you look like ZZ Top's dad on a brown acid trip*, but I do like reading some of your posts ... they're off the wall in a kind of "mother fed us breakfast, then decided we should cross the Hindu Kush before tea, if only to impress the natives. Car-Walla fired up the Silver Ghost, and before one could say "but Mater, we haven't got our long johns on", we were off!" type way :)

I like reading a thoughtful chap's outpourings.


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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 9:23:29 PM   
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Good grief. This thread is already giving me a headache.

DarkSteven:  Not sure I follow your logic.  Transfolks are just as fucked up as our non-trans counterparts.  If anything, many of us are much more balanced after transition.

SlaveOwnedDave:  I'm guessing I just have much more contact with transfolk than you do.  There are actually petite transwomen (MTF) out there.  You just don't know it because they live completely as women and just blend right in with all the other women.  And by the way--I guess you don't have a lot of FTMs in your life either.  Because  a good many of us are just as strong as bio-men.  Some of us are body builders....some of us are cops...some firefighters...construction workers...whatever.  I'm a lot stronger than I used to be, courtesy of modern chemistry.

No one sees me as Trans--and thank goodness--I wouldn't want them too-- I am seen exactly as I am--a man.  This whole men are men but trans is trans is a lot of bullocks.  The truth is, there are likely a handful of transpeople who you have encountered in your life, and you had no idea that they are trans.  The only place I'm "out" is here, online.

Many of us, like myself, live completely stealth, so that we can live our lives without having to deal with prejudices of others.  My co-workers....neighbors...not even my housemate...know or suspect that I'm anything other than 100% male from the start.  It's a luxury many of my transsisters don't have.  Saying that you consider transmen to not be "real men" and transwomen to not be 'real women" is really a slap in the face





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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 9:53:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hausboy

Good grief. This thread is already giving me a headache.

DarkSteven:  Not sure I follow your logic.  Transfolks are just as fucked up as our non-trans counterparts.  If anything, many of us are much more balanced after transition.

SlaveOwnedDave:  I'm guessing I just have much more contact with transfolk than you do.  There are actually petite transwomen (MTF) out there.  You just don't know it because they live completely as women and just blend right in with all the other women.  And by the way--I guess you don't have a lot of FTMs in your life either.  Because  a good many of us are just as strong as bio-men.  Some of us are body builders....some of us are cops...some firefighters...construction workers...whatever.  I'm a lot stronger than I used to be, courtesy of modern chemistry.

No one sees me as Trans--and thank goodness--I wouldn't want them too-- I am seen exactly as I am--a man.  This whole men are men but trans is trans is a lot of bullocks.  The truth is, there are likely a handful of transpeople who you have encountered in your life, and you had no idea that they are trans.  The only place I'm "out" is here, online.

Many of us, like myself, live completely stealth, so that we can live our lives without having to deal with prejudices of others.  My co-workers....neighbors...not even my housemate...know or suspect that I'm anything other than 100% male from the start.  It's a luxury many of my transsisters don't have.  Saying that you consider transmen to not be "real men" and transwomen to not be 'real women" is really a slap in the face


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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 10:02:34 PM   
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SlaveOwnedDave:  I'm guessing I just have much more contact with transfolk than you do.  There are actually petite transwomen (MTF) out there.  You just don't know it because they live completely as women and just blend right in with all the other women.  And by the way--I guess you don't have a lot of FTMs in your life either.  Because  a good many of us are just as strong as bio-men.  Some of us are body builders....some of us are cops...some firefighters...construction workers...whatever.  I'm a lot stronger than I used to be, courtesy of modern chemistry.

No one sees me as Trans--and thank goodness--I wouldn't want them too-- I am seen exactly as I am--a man.


You go, brother.  Your manhood is defined by what's inside of you, and anyone who has a problem with that is saying more about themselves than they ever could about you.

And trust me on this one, Dave.  I'm genetically female with no help from chemicals, and I really don't think you'd want to be competing with me in powerlifting. 


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RE: Your thoughts on trans subs? - 2/12/2011 10:09:20 PM   
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For starters I am so hetero I am a lezbo. Now that is clear... it is all about YOUR happy. I can see where you are twitching a bit not seeing very clearly where your place is, however you should understand that your place is where ever you make it. You have to have good comfort and security in you, then the situation you NEED and WANT can be obtained.

A D/ that is interested in procreation is going to prefer a /s that can facilitate that. Not all D's are looking for that and it will come down to the connection that you have/ can make with the D. We are finally, thank the universe, evolving into an age of acceptance and the age of tolerance is dying off like the dinosaur it is.

If, for you, you are a woman in heart and mind, get your woman on and make her/you the woman you want and need to be. The D will come, and come faster to a confident woman that is comfortable with herself. Establishing your identity, making it very clear who you are, what you need, what you want and saying fuck conforming to others perceptions is all that is important here.

From my personal Dynamic it is tricky: I am looking for /s' that want children, can safely have children, is not a big ol pain slut and is into 24/7TPE. My profile is exceptionally harsh to skeer off princesses and lazy hoes, however the person the girls need to know is on this side and not the other.

YMMV
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