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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/17/2011 12:42:54 AM   
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and did i mention my Mistress realy likes male on male and i like to please my Mistress

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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/17/2011 3:29:27 AM   
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Dear Akasha,

I've always enjoyed your writings. What I would give to walk down Akasha Lane...

There was a thread I started some time ago that involved artful male bondage and I would like to believe that ladies of both sides of the kneel appreciated what I dragged in. Handsome and attractive men in certain predicaments that riled me up because I knew at some level they would rile the ladies up. I'm perverse like that.

Personally I am not offended by m/m bondage or even sessions. The only thing that annoys me is the sheer amount of gay male dominants that view my profile daily (and some of them repetitively) and do not bother to message me. Instead I am left with a picture of crotch or ass with no face to refer it to for me to be even interested in initiating a conversation.

Not sure if it is because I am boyish, petite, slender, charming, or a combination thereof but I seem to be a magnet. I am nowhere near muscle bound nor do I have any inclination to be something I am not.

One instance on a cam prompted me rejecting a domina with a "Fine then, Good Day" because she had said "Real slaves do not sit on beds they kneel on floors" and "You are not that attractive". I can understand why I was offended by the "Real slaves" comment seeing how I do not work on instant submission but it took me some intense introspection on why I was offended on the latter comment.

I understand I am not that pretty or good-looking but why waste time with someone you are not attracted to. Why not reject them outright if you do not feel anything for the person? Why even bother to go to cam unless there was something? It was ridiculous because she was attempting to dominate someone she knew nothing about without even trying. Not a cookie or a piece of candy or anything. I'm sorry but 'real slavery' is illegal and it was either serve or be beaten to death. So to this domina I was not worth the time to even ask 'are you into humilation or being degraded verbally?'

A wham, bam, thank you you worm man. No, go find someone else that you deem more attractive. Goodbye.

The titles that we wield must be earned and I refuse to submit to someone who believes they are a given just because someone says so.

Prove it by being what you are and not what you wish others to see you as. I'll gladly submit mind, body, and soul to the one who can crack this hard stoic shell and tame my feral core. I know I am worth it.

At the same time I will have to prove my self by walking through your labyrinth and enduring those traps and vanquishing these daemons. Not because I am told to but because I want and need to.

I'll end this diatribe soon... WITH THIS!!!





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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/17/2011 9:16:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha


As a femdom with a sensual-sadist streak and a huge fan of bondage, I view a lot of male bondage porn, and not surprisingly, most is M/M. I watch this genre not specifically because I want to see "man to man action" in the form of blow jobs or anal, I watch it because the focus is primarily on the bottom, and the bottom is usually presented as a very attractive, charismatic "victim" vs. in het bondage porn where the male bottom is often a hooded, uncharismatic afterthought or mere prop with the focus on the domina delivering the action.

In years and years and YEARS of talking to male subs and bottoms and possible suitors, when I try to engage them in getting involved in understanding male/male porn, or even bondage with the focus on the man, very few ever stay motivated about it at all - unless they are driving their own forced oral/cuck fantasy. While hundreds of men have sent me unsolicited pictures/videos/links of images and videos they think I will find "erotic," most are the same old porn clips with the focus on the woman, or on the predicament, with a totally unattractive man or invisible man on the receiving end of the action. I can count on one hand the number of men that have found a good example of male bondage - from mainstream stuff to m/m porn - where there would clearly be an appeal for a woman who enjoys seeing a man in bondage or BDSM. It's never m/m in focus, even though this market is swimming with great imagery.

Why aren't het men studying this stuff and getting a sense of what femdoms like? I'm not the first femdom to proclaim that while I like BDSM porn, I tend to gravitate toward gay BDSM porn not because I have a huge thing for guys together, but because the men are more pretty to look at.

Akasha


The biases against homosexuality, ranging from homophobia to identity issues, can deter men from studying this material. That said, with proper editing of the sexual scenes involving homosexual erotic/sensual or sexual play not central to the study of the case, or with a Domme guiding them through the edited version as well, the material may prove insightful and the submissive may learn to be more than a mere "wooden dummy" for the Dominant lady to try all her skills.

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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/17/2011 8:20:50 PM   
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Not to mention, entirely the point!


How could this be ?

I work really hard to be off point ...

Oh well, I guess even a blind pig finds an acorn ... once in a while!

Yet thank You ... tis appreciated ...



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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/18/2011 5:48:45 PM   
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Heterosexual submissive men, for the most part, simply don't know how to do that.  They know how to demand that a woman stage herself for their viewing pleasure, which is arguably the most annoying mistake that "submissive" men make to really turn off dominant women.  They do not know how to "ham it up" for her viewing pleasure, or to package themselves as the object to be consumed rather than as the consumer.  And therein lies the very specific lesson we wish they would learn. 



Ooookayyyy . . . I get it. I know enough about that feeling to be able to say that it's good, and it's horny, to feel that way and to be seen that way. Insofar that I get a rise out of anything stereotypically 'feminine', then that's what's behind it - the 'here's my body, it's your object, it's vulnerable, take it and use it' thing. And, natch, it's *damned* good to see an 'I want to eat you' look on a woman's face - that's the bullseye. Me, though, I never needed M/m porn for that feeling to develop. I just wanted to emulate what I've seen women do to fire the 'take and use' passion in men. I do agree that we don't have that sort of gender culture and it was always a fascination of mine to see how far those roles could be switched.

But it's a road about which I'd be careful of taking too far. And hamming it up isn't something that I want to do either. Method acting is the only kind of acting I want to get into in partnerships. I know that sounds a bit stuffed up of me, but I get the holy horrors of D/s done for show only. D/s already has more than it needs of ham and sham, IMO.

On an entirely different note . . . Can I just say - aren't the men on this thread being commendably gentlemanly? If Doms were to talk about the 'educative benefits' of getting their het femsubs to watch F/f porn, accusations might be flung around of said Doms trying to coax their femsubs into some hot girl-on-girl action at home. Yum indeed, no doubt! However, not one male here has hinted that, perhaps, none of this has really got anything to do with malesubs' 'education'; that it might, in fact, have much more to do with certain women getting hot 'n'steamy at the idea of coaxing some similar bi inclinations out of their menfolk.

Well, well, I'm very much a gentleman, so I won't suggest that either. No indeedy. I won't even put a 'wink' emoticon in at this point.

All that aside, then, and as a purely a matter of interest and apropos of nothing else at all: Could I see a show of hands from those women who a) think that submales could profit from watching M/m porn but b) do not get off at the idea of two men together and absolutely wouldn't want their own submale to be part of, say, a bi male scene that they, the women, are involved in or are 'directing'?



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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/18/2011 6:18:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
All that aside, then, and as a purely a matter of interest and apropos of nothing else at all: Could I see a show of hands from those women who a) think that submales could profit from watching M/m porn but b) do not get off at the idea of two men together and absolutely wouldn't want their own submale to be part of, say, a bi male scene that they, the women, are involved in or are 'directing'?


I have no reason to be shy or demure about my interests.  If I want to watch hot gay or bi action, I will say so, and I will actively go out and try to get me some in an open and honest manner from men who already share this orientation.  I am not delusional enough to believe that an otherwise straight man can be "turned gay" by watching m/m porn.  Neurochemistry just doesn't work that way.  So no, I wouldn't take the devious or passive aggressive route to getting me a hot bi scene when I want one. I'd just say, "hey, this turns me on, who wants to do this with me?"

I do get off on watching two men together, but that is absolutely not the reason I would recommend unpartnered straight male submissives have a gander at m/m porn. 


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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/18/2011 7:14:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
I'd just say, "hey, this turns me on, who wants to do this with me?"


I would expect nothing else from you, Lady N.

Actually, I've just realised that I wasn't being entirely truthful in my last post. I did want to emulate women in what I saw them doing, sure . . . but I also got some inspiration from advertising. Back in the 90's, I noticed that lots of this was beginning to use males in the same way as females had been used: all moody bodies, hands over eyes and swooning, etc, etc . . . Some people thought that this species of advertising had 'homoerotic overtones'. Me, I thought, 'Yes, true . . . but I want some of what that's doing to the females I know, so I'll get it.' Hence one major reason why I started using a gym.

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RE: Are male subs (bottoms) offended by m/m bondage porn? - 2/18/2011 10:17:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I did want to emulate women in what I saw them doing, sure . . . but I also got some inspiration from advertising. Back in the 90's, I noticed that lots of this was beginning to use males in the same way as females had been used: all moody bodies, hands over eyes and swooning, etc, etc . . . Some people thought that this species of advertising had 'homoerotic overtones'. Me, I thought, 'Yes, true . . . but I want some of what that's doing to the females I know, so I'll get it.' Hence one major reason why I started using a gym.


Then you are one who has already learned this specific lesson, and it is doubtful you would gain anything further from looking at m/m porn if it doesn't ring your personal bells.


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