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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:24:20 AM

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So you are saying workers rights should vary based on who pays the bill?

How would you like your gun rights to vary based on who pays the bill?

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:31:26 AM

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So you are saying workers rights should vary based on who pays the bill?

How would you like your gun rights to vary based on who pays the bill?

Collective bargaining requires that there be someone to represent the interests of the employer. In public employment that is often not the case.

non sequiter ignored

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:39:15 AM

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Collective bargaining requires that there be someone to represent the interests of the employer. In public employment that is often not the case.

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That is bullshit, who the fuck negotiates to contracts? Santa Claus?

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:42:38 AM

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Most people like having unions. The ones that don't, have never considered what America would be like without them.

Got some actual evidence that supports your argument there?

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:42:56 AM

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This will mean nothing. He is now the governor of Wisconsin. The assemby and the senate are now republicans. Take your stupid recording and stick it where the sun don't shine..

You believe he shouldnt, or wont, be held accountable for this?

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:46:59 AM

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Collective bargaining requires that there be someone to represent the interests of the employer. In public employment that is often not the case.

That's a failure of the government's own leadership, not the fault of the existence of collective bargaining.

You piss and moan about "cadillac" benefits, but the lack of leadership at the state level was responsible for that. When the state finally gets hard-ass leadership to trim back on the cadillac plans, that fine and okay, too, IMO. Trimming back the 'Cadillac' plans has been accomplished in Wisconsin. Budget crisis solved.

But that's as far as it should go. Walker is reaching farther. He is reaching to take away the right to collectively bargain.

Sorry, but no.

I'm not a union guy, never been a union guy in my life, but if the 6 workers at the local Blockbuster Video joint down the street want to create a union, who am I to say no? Who am I to restrict their rights to collectively bargain with their employer? Who are you to do that? Who is Walker to do that? Just because Blockbuster Video Corporate may hire a spineless negotiator from time to time, we must restrict the worker's ability to organize?

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:52:11 AM

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The problem comes with the highly prevalent sweetheart deals between the union bosses and the Democrats. The Dems negotiate highly favorable contracts with the public employee unions and then pocket the tax dollars that the unions "donate" back to them for their reelection funds.

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:55:42 AM

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I posted this yesterday: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3570584/mpage_35/key_/tm.htm#3577103

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 11:56:12 AM

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The problem comes with the highly prevalent sweetheart deals between the union bosses and the Democrats.

And if the right wants to tear after those sweetheart deals, more power to them.

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The Dems negotiate highly favorable contracts with the public employee unions and then pocket the tax dollars that the unions "donate" back to them for their reelection funds.

No different than the Koch-Walker dynamic the whole nation just listened to.

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 12:01:07 PM

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Has Walker violated Wisconsin's strictest-in-the-nation ethics rules, which require elected officials to "maintain the faith and confidence of the people of the state" when it comes to their actions?

This seems to be the current question in regards to the recording. Seems a few groups are calling for phone logs and e-mails.

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 1:14:35 PM

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Collective bargaining requires that there be someone to represent the interests of the employer. In public employment that is often not the case.

non sequiter ignored

That is bullshit, who the fuck negotiates to contracts? Santa Claus?

good analogy. The public officials who are supposed to negotiate on behalf of ALL of the people but were elected largely due to union influence do in fact resemble Santa Claus.

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 1:15:35 PM

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Has Walker violated Wisconsin's strictest-in-the-nation ethics rules, which require elected officials to "maintain the faith and confidence of the people of the state" when it comes to their actions?

Since he's doing exactly what he campaigned on and won the election because of, obviously not.

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 1:28:49 PM

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Dont be so sure. As I said... a very interesting election season.

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 1:40:51 PM

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Most people like having unions. The ones that don't, have never considered what America would be like without them.

Got some actual evidence that supports your argument there?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-22-poll-public-unions-wisconsin_N.htm

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 1:45:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
The problem comes with the highly prevalent sweetheart deals between the union bosses and the Democrats.

And if the right wants to tear after those sweetheart deals, more power to them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
The Dems negotiate highly favorable contracts with the public employee unions and then pocket the tax dollars that the unions "donate" back to them for their reelection funds.

No different than the Koch-Walker dynamic the whole nation just listened to.

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And a "dynamic" and conversation that isnt at all troubling. Overblown crap by the leftie media.

Also gotta love the hypocrisy of those who slammed the Acorn investigations but have no problem with the same techniques when its a conservative who is attacked.

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 1:52:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
The problem comes with the highly prevalent sweetheart deals between the union bosses and the Democrats.

And if the right wants to tear after those sweetheart deals, more power to them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
The Dems negotiate highly favorable contracts with the public employee unions and then pocket the tax dollars that the unions "donate" back to them for their reelection funds.

No different than the Koch-Walker dynamic the whole nation just listened to.

--- Next ---

And a "dynamic" and conversation that isnt at all troubling. Overblown crap by the leftie media.

Actually he violated at least 2 state ethics rules in that conversation. The Sheriff there is investigating to determine if he broke the law.

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Also gotta love the hypocrisy of those who slammed the Acorn investigations but have no problem with the same techniques when its a conservative who is attacked.

The complete unedited audio tape has been deceptively edited? How?

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 2:14:26 PM

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The problem comes with the highly prevalent sweetheart deals between the union bosses and the Democrats. The Dems negotiate highly favorable contracts with the public employee unions and then pocket the tax dollars that the unions "donate" back to them for their reelection funds.

I guess it is okay for big business to donate MILLIONS of dollars to republicans and push anti union legislation, limited EPA regulations, or maybe even support offshore drilling in deep water where the technology to deal with a major disaster is non-existent. (BP used the same procedures to deal with the gulf spill as was used on another well 30 years earlier, in shallower water, and they fucking didnt work then.)

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 2:23:45 PM

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Actually he violated at least 2 state ethics rules in that conversation. The Sheriff there is investigating to determine if he broke the law.

sure he did

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Also gotta love the hypocrisy of those who slammed the Acorn investigations but have no problem with the same techniques when its a conservative who is attacked.

The complete unedited audio tape has been deceptively edited? How?

sure it was

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 2:26:32 PM

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The made for TV miniseries starring:
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Pee Wee Hermann as Governor Scott Walker
see it on FOX!!!!!!!!!! D-OH!!!!!

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RE: Kochsucker Walker Punked and Outed! - 2/24/2011 2:36:45 PM

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Since most people oppose public employee unions this is a net plus for Walker.

61% of the people oppose limiting public employee's union rights. You got your info from Faux News and they had to admit they lied.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201102230006

Faux News creates jobs for mediamatters.org. This list of inaccuracies is appalling:

http://mediamatters.org/research/

All the recent inaccuracies are from the Right, but MSNBC is also on the list of Networks and Publications.

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