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truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:38:49 AM)

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t wasn't too long ago that a lot of right-wingers were actually wanting to change the laws so that Arnold could run for president weren't they? 


No.
In the first place, right-wingers don't support RINOs like Arnold.
In the second, there was no serious talk that I remember from anyone, much less right-wingers. And certainly no action.
Methinks you have made a claim you cannot substantiate, igor.




tazzygirl -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:40:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

And, there could be any other reason?


There are black birthers as well as white ones.




TheHeretic -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:42:42 AM)

Birthers are idiots.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:44:15 AM)

I have come to the conclusion, after several months, that if Obama's birth certificate should somehow grow legs, don a strapon and fuck truckinslave in the ass, he would still deny its existence.

You can be a citizen in 2 ways. You are born that way or you are not. (souonds pretty basic but there are folks that don't believe it)

If you are not born a citizen, you must be naturalized. i.e. take an oath.

If you are 1: Born on US soil, you are a citizen. (thus the problem with 'anchor babies')>

or 2: One or both of your parents is a citizen, you are a citizen. this is why John McCain is an American citizen even though he was born on Panamanian soil. OK, the hospital was
on Panamanian soil. To birth a baby in the dirt is downright dangerous.


I'm curious to know if a clone would be eligible as that is not "natural born"? (It's illegal and also unethical IMO but it's just a matter of time)

Also, to nitpick, would a person born via C section, as that is not 'natural birth', be eligible?




truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:47:03 AM)

The entire .net website you linked is based on a faulty premise:

"Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth,"

There is no legal evidence to support the notion that "natural-born citizen" and "citizen at birth" share the same legal definition.

Under this notion, and current legal interpretation, a baby born of Chinese parents 15' north of the Rio Grande and subsequently taken back across the river to Mexico, thence to be raised in Hong Kong, would be eligible for POTUS even though he had spent exactly 2 minutes 37 seconds in the United States...

The Founding Fathers had something different than the above in mind; quite frankly only a fool could imagine otherwise.




truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:51:55 AM)

It's not quite as simple as simpletons believe. The practice of law is, after all, the splitting of hairs into ever finer hairs...
You assume that NBC and citizen mean the same thing. Marbury v Madison, common sense, and Charles Rice all argue otherwise.
We need a definition of "natural born citizen". We do not have one.





tazzygirl -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:53:50 AM)

Wait. If you are waiting on the SC to determine what is or isnt a NBC, isnt that waiting for them to legislate?




Lucylastic -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 6:56:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Birthers are idiots.

I love it when you say things like this!!!!




TheHeretic -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:02:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

We need a definition of "natural born citizen". We do not have one.




So in the absence of that, the guy with the funny skin tone doesn't qualify?

Shut the fuck up, Truck. Seriously. Obama is the legitimate and properly elected President of the United States, and running with this ridiculous line of attack increases the likelihood of him staying that way for two terms.

You're as bad as those useless punks who kept insisting Gore won the 2000 election.




rulemylife -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:04:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Something I should have included in the OP from the post in The Steady Drip

In Minor v. Happersett, in 1875, the Supreme Court, made an incidental reference to the issue: "[N]ew citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization. The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first." 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875).

Yet another reason we need a precise definition from SCOTUS. The careful reader of the above will note that the Court seems inadvertently to have used "citizen" and "natural born citizen" interchangeably, something not only nonsensical but clearly prohibited by Marbury v, Madison.

We need a definition.


No, what we need is to focus on real issues that are affecting the country and stop listening to this horseshit.




tazzygirl -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:07:13 AM)

Rich, is it a plot to get him re-elected?




Sanity -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:08:33 AM)


Obamas handlers are the idiots for allowing it to become an issue.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Birthers are idiots.




RacerJim -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:11:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

What will you people have to whine about if the Kenyan proves that he has a hawaian birth certificate?

Why don't you people demand that Obama/Soetoro prove he has a valid Hawaian "Certificate of Birth" so we people can then tell you what we have to whine about?




truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:13:35 AM)

(Slowly, as though to a child);
No, tazzy dear, it is not.
It is waiting for them to do their job.
Which is interpreting the law. Sometimes people think they go too far; people then say they have "legislated from the bench".
All legal terms, however, must be defined.
This one has not been.




truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:15:02 AM)

Tell it to Dr Rice and the 12 states trying to enact legislation to require proof of eligibility.




Lucylastic -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:16:06 AM)

You dont do condescension very well





truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:17:37 AM)

They are idiots, or there is a reason.
I cannot believe even libtards are that stupid.
Which is the thinking that led to my interest in the subject: Why don't they simply produce a birth certificate?

The more I read, the more interesting it became....




mnottertail -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:17:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

(Slowly, as though to a child);
No, tazzy dear, it is not.
It is waiting for them to do their job.
Which is interpreting the law. Sometimes people think they go too far; people then say they have "legislated from the bench".
All legal terms, however, must be defined.
This one has not been.


Because there is some issue surrounding it?   We know of none, four times now, SCOTUS has said Obama isn't it.




truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:19:32 AM)

Thank you. I generally try to avoid it, and meant it as a joke above, I don't really think tg was being serious either.




truckinslave -> RE: Birther News (3/8/2011 7:21:05 AM)

No. SCOTUS has said four times that they are not interested in reviewing appeals concerning (lack of) standing.




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