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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/12/2011 10:35:25 AM   
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My response here is simple - 1, 2, 3

1. Get professional help via a doctor and psychotherapy or something similar from a trained professional. Suicide ideation isn't that far away from doing something about it. Act now.

2. Reach out to friends, or make new ones. If you've tied your self-worth to someone else then you have a major problem and you need to find ways of attaching it back to you. You cannot do this on your own, you need professional help and a support network.

3. Find a new creative occupation of some sort, can be sport, joining a gym, learning a language, writing, photography, voluntary work, some activity which you can do to validate yourself and develop your self-esteem and self-worth. Something that you can share with other people.

I would reconsider your relationship with your Master. There's reasons for this. The first is the emotional manipulation. The second is the anger which is directed at you. Anger is a valid emotion which comes out of weakness or fear, but directing anger at someone is a sign to me of emotional immaturity and not the sort of behaviour appropriate for anyone who calls themselves a Master. These two things alone are triggering your issues. You also need to consider the headspace you were in when you formed the relationship.

My advice would be to let go of the relationship and move on. It's one thing to be self-destructive yourself, but another for someone to support you whilst going down that route.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/14/2011 4:30:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subbykat

I was wondering if there is anyone else out there like me, who engages in self-destructive behaviors, such as crying fits, suicidal thoughts or mental flagellation, whenever your Master is angry with you, ignores you or tells you he will break up with you?

I find it very difficult when my Master doesn't approve of me in some way. I get very hateful towards myself and it sometimes takes me days to recover from it.



While I don't engage in self-destructive behaviors (Is a crying fit self-destruction? Then I suppose I am guilty. Although it really helps to relieve tension!), I've often felt very bad in the face of a master's disapproval and get angry at myself for my screw up. I'm sorry it affects you so badly. Take heart in the fact that although he ignores you sometimes or says he is going to break up/release you, he hasn't done it so far or your wouldn't be writing this in present tense. You must be doing something good. :)

I think it's good for a slave to feel remorse, even deep remorse, as this makes it much more likely the disappointing behavior won't occur again. I also think it's fine (even natural in some ways) for a slave to have low self-esteem. Slaves with this trait tend to take their failures harder than others do: we beat ourselves up for it more. I think that means we learn faster than other slaves, due to the ways we suffer inside, so this has a good effect. The self-beatings are pretty worthless, however, if they aren't constructive, helping you to change. If they keep your wallowed in a quagmire of self-hating or suicidal thoughts, they're just being used to overindulge a negative emotion. If you can, try to see this behavior as making a second mistake on top of the first one. I know people who, when they lose at chess, swipe the pieces off the board, or when they fail at something else, they break something around them or yell at those close to them. This behavior is sort of like that, and if you wish to be a better slave, you need to get it under control somehow. I bet you can, people can do amazing things if they are motivated, and what better motivation is there than being more pleasing to your master? :) These feelings, even though they are negative and you clearly don't like them, are still an overindulgence, like eating too many sweets or getting so drunk you throw up. A little of this feeling is just fine and even helps you avoid the mistake in the future, but a great deal of indulgence makes you pretty much useless to your master.

Don't be afraid of making mistakes. Mistakes are your friends, particularly in slavery: they help you, better than anything else out there, to learn how to better please your master. Mistakes are amazing learning tools. While I try to avoid them, I do not mind when I do flub up, because I know I'll learn so much from the experience.

I hope that your master punishes you for your mistakes so that you don't have to beat up on yourself so hard and feel so guilty. Such punishment is a gift in that sense (as well as in others). It's not really a slave's right to punish herself: my first master had to point this out to me constantly and firmly in the beginning. If you belong to your master, then you are his property. Punishing his property is his prerogative, not yours. You do not own yourself, so trying to destroy yourself is essentially vandalizing someone else's property. Since you care about what this someone else thinks, try to think of it that way next time you get this sort of urge. It's similar to keying his car, and I imagine you wouldn't dare to do that, would you?

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/14/2011 8:50:50 PM   
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I can only imagine that if your master deserves your service as much as you love giving it, then the job will be no easy choice. But sometimes it is an opportunity to broaden our palate.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/14/2011 9:25:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subbykat

I was wondering if there is anyone else out there like me, who engages in self-destructive behaviors, such as crying fits, suicidal thoughts or mental flagellation, whenever your Master is angry with you, ignores you or tells you he will break up with you?

I find it very difficult when my Master doesn't approve of me in some way. I get very hateful towards myself and it sometimes takes me days to recover from it.



Actually, I would be angry with someone who even attempted to make me feel that bad. I would disapprove of HIM, not myself.

I don't deal with threats, being ignored or anger management issues.

This is not a submissive trait; this is destructive human trait you are discussing.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/15/2011 10:50:12 AM   
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 Being ignored is so readily accepted in a way that I've never understood. I can seriously understand a bit of time to cool off on both sides, or even one side.

Because it's accepted in the arsenal, I've rarely, if ever mentioned it because I have *supposed* that it has a benefit.

Apart from having time to cool-off, I've not really seen any great benefit, or heard any explanation that makes sense. Not that it HAS to make sense to me. It seems to work for the majority of people, though.

This could well be because we don't have that, therefore we only have the option of talking/sorting it out or buggering off.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/16/2011 5:37:48 AM   
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He is not the right guy for you. If he has threatened to leave you then he is a jerk and you'd be better off with him. Suicidal thoughts aren't good. Speaking from experience. You need to get away from him, stop all contact, I know it may be hard but if you want to be happy and healthy and love life then this is what you need to do.


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ORIGINAL: subbykat

I wonder sometimes, if he really owns me, when I'm always resisting being owned.


I am sub. I've had a couple of doms who could get me to do anything with pretty much no effort on their behalf. But I met another dom who was always trying to get me to do stuff I didn't want to so I resisted being dominated by him. I liked him and wanted to be with him but the way he approached me and talked to me made me resist him and rebell against everything he tried to get me to do. This is your gut telling you he is bad for you. Listen to your gut instincts.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/20/2011 10:22:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subbykat

I was wondering if there is anyone else out there like me, who engages in self-destructive behaviors, such as crying fits, suicidal thoughts or mental flagellation, whenever your Master is angry with you, ignores you or tells you he will break up with you?

I find it very difficult when my Master doesn't approve of me in some way. I get very hateful towards myself and it sometimes takes me days to recover from it.



This is a thing that PEOPLE go through, not just submissive people. Get help for your issues from a professional if you believe you are self destructive. This isn't something that fits under the banner of "submissiveness"...


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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 4:42:20 AM   
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Have you considered going to talk to a professional?

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 7:14:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aromanholiday


quote:

ORIGINAL: subbykat

I also think it's fine (even natural in some ways) for a slave to have low self-esteem. Slaves with this trait tend to take their failures harder than others do: we beat ourselves up for it more. I think that means we learn faster than other slaves, due to the ways we suffer inside, so this has a good effect.


I am sorry, but I have to disagree with this statement. I don't believe that it is fine or natural for ANYONE to have low self-esteem and to say this just propagates the myth that all subs or slaves do what they do because they feel worthless and need a Dom to prop them up.

Having a good sense of self and self-esteem will always serve one better in all areas of life.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 7:36:22 AM   
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You resist being owned because you know deep down that he isn't safe to submit to. That he doesn't care about your needs, that he doesn't care about what his manipulation is doing to you.

The only family for the past five years shrieks isolation to me, that he deliberately has isolated you from family and friends. And that's not the trait of a trustworthy dominant but of an abuser.

I strongly suggest you see your primary physician and get a referral to a psychiatrist and start on anti-depressants and find a good therapist also. In the meantime, look up the nearest ACOA meeting and start attending them.

Be good to yourself because waiting for him to be good to you is an exercise in futility.


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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 8:56:16 AM   
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i've read through the thread and have a few comments.
1. contact a psychiatrist immediately about the suicidal thoughts. not the next time you have them, not tomorrow, not in 10 minutes, do it now. these are serious things and are not to be ignored.
2. a "dominant" who wants somebody else to train his sub is not a dominant. unless he has specifically trained you in exactly how he wants his other subs trained he is just a lazy shit.
3. a dominant who actually ignores their submissive is not worthy of anything but being ignored. yes a D can not interact with his submissive for a period of time, but he must always pay close attention to his submissive, as her well being is his responsibility. this goes especially in a ldr, as the sub cannot be seen on a regular basis, so continuous regular contact and frequent "what are you thinking/feeling" talks are required.
4. a person who continually threatens to break up with you is a person you should break up with.

in summary, he is a real shitty excuse for an owner. he's a prick who is using emotional blackmail to get you to find him girls to fuck. he has no interest in your well being, and is willing to risk your life to get his dick wet.

my advice to you is as follows: get help for the suicidal thoughts and self-esteem issues and dump his scummy ass. delete him, block him, ignore him. if he calls you answer only once to tell him to never contact you again and if he does contact you again get a restraining order against him, and use it.

i wish you all the best in dealing with this unfortunate situation.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 9:32:32 AM   
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I punish myself, because I'm not living up to my end of the bargain in the relationship. My Master and I are in a long-distance relationship, in which he wants me to train other subs, for him and I (his primary sub). It sounds great to me, but I'm painfully shy and kind of afraid of making a step to make anything happen

So, he tells me in that case he will train some subs where he is and I can come and visit, but not as his primary girlfriend...

You're in a LDR and he wants you to find others and if you can't he will and he'll replace you as primary?  Oooooooo been there, done that, worn the t-shirt to shreds.

I had a LDR with someone for well over a year.  We met up once it and was wonderful, but the people we were with (all friends and Lifestylers) could see that my attention to Him was spotless while his to me was lacking.  I never noticed.

A month or so later I was also supposed to start looking for a third, in the area I lived, but if he decided to have her with him without me then it was my tough luck if I couldn't handle it.  This from the man who had me calling him Master, speaking in the 3rd person, was unemotional and kept putting off further visits.

5 months later I got dumped.  How did I find out?  He wouldn't chat with me anymore, just plain stopped.  He'd never called me on the phone, it was never anything but Yahoo or MSN.  I had all his information, I make a great detective when I'm determined but I never told him. 

I thought for months I'd done something wrong.  A good friend of ours finally got him to tell her the truth, he "didn't feel he was right for me" but didn't have the guts to tell me.  So he left me hanging.

Don't let yourself become who I was, you're punishing no one but yourself and that's not a good thing.  It's taken me a long time, 35 some years to be exact, but I've finally reached a point in my life where I've learned to put myself #1.  I have to for my own mental health.  I will NOT be walked all over again, I will NOT let anyone make me feel bad because they haven't mastered their temper or their own life.  They can find someone more suitable because I won't allow myself to be put into that position ever again. 

I deserve better than that, I'm worth more than that.  Please get the help you need and soon.  Call your local support line, and if you're feeling suicidal then phone 911.  There are people out there who will listen to you and help you get things straightened out in your mind.  It's not a one day fix, it takes time, but you need to look after you.  Please do so, he doesn't deserve you.  And you sure as all hell deserve better than him. 


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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 10:19:30 AM   
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This thread was started on April 9, the same day the OP joined. The OP hasn't logged on here since April 10. If the thread was started with a sock puppet, I hope the OP can gain strength and support from all the responses.

It is heartening to see all the good and caring advice given so freely here.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 2:01:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aromanholiday


quote:

ORIGINAL: subbykat

I was wondering if there is anyone else out there like me, who engages in self-destructive behaviors, such as crying fits, suicidal thoughts or mental flagellation, whenever your Master is angry with you, ignores you or tells you he will break up with you?

I find it very difficult when my Master doesn't approve of me in some way. I get very hateful towards myself and it sometimes takes me days to recover from it.



While I don't engage in self-destructive behaviors (Is a crying fit self-destruction? Then I suppose I am guilty. Although it really helps to relieve tension!), I've often felt very bad in the face of a master's disapproval and get angry at myself for my screw up. I'm sorry it affects you so badly. Take heart in the fact that although he ignores you sometimes or says he is going to break up/release you, he hasn't done it so far or your wouldn't be writing this in present tense. You must be doing something good. :)

I think it's good for a slave to feel remorse, even deep remorse, as this makes it much more likely the disappointing behavior won't occur again. I also think it's fine (even natural in some ways) for a slave to have low self-esteem. Slaves with this trait tend to take their failures harder than others do: we beat ourselves up for it more. I think that means we learn faster than other slaves, due to the ways we suffer inside, so this has a good effect. The self-beatings are pretty worthless, however, if they aren't constructive, helping you to change. If they keep your wallowed in a quagmire of self-hating or suicidal thoughts, they're just being used to overindulge a negative emotion. If you can, try to see this behavior as making a second mistake on top of the first one. I know people who, when they lose at chess, swipe the pieces off the board, or when they fail at something else, they break something around them or yell at those close to them. This behavior is sort of like that, and if you wish to be a better slave, you need to get it under control somehow. I bet you can, people can do amazing things if they are motivated, and what better motivation is there than being more pleasing to your master? :) These feelings, even though they are negative and you clearly don't like them, are still an overindulgence, like eating too many sweets or getting so drunk you throw up. A little of this feeling is just fine and even helps you avoid the mistake in the future, but a great deal of indulgence makes you pretty much useless to your master.

Don't be afraid of making mistakes. Mistakes are your friends, particularly in slavery: they help you, better than anything else out there, to learn how to better please your master. Mistakes are amazing learning tools. While I try to avoid them, I do not mind when I do flub up, because I know I'll learn so much from the experience.

I hope that your master punishes you for your mistakes so that you don't have to beat up on yourself so hard and feel so guilty. Such punishment is a gift in that sense (as well as in others). It's not really a slave's right to punish herself: my first master had to point this out to me constantly and firmly in the beginning. If you belong to your master, then you are his property. Punishing his property is his prerogative, not yours. You do not own yourself, so trying to destroy yourself is essentially vandalizing someone else's property. Since you care about what this someone else thinks, try to think of it that way next time you get this sort of urge. It's similar to keying his car, and I imagine you wouldn't dare to do that, would you?


Aromanholiday, You hit it right on the nail. Thank you. Your words resonate with my heart and soul.
You are absolutely right that slaves with low self-esteem beat themselves up harder when they make a mistake, but that we learn quicker from them. Looking back to where I was before I met my Master, it amazes me how much I've grown with him in a positive way. It may not seem that way based on the limited information I gave about myself.

All I know is that when I wrote this thread, I was really down in the dumps...And that's the time when people are likely to get in the bad habit of assigning blame to someone or something outside of themselves that are causing their pain. I sometimes have to remind myself that it is our perceptions and beliefs that create our reality. We can change that at any time.

Also, I'm not really suicidal, but since you are so intuitive, you already knew that. I occasionally indulge in suicidal thoughts. It's part of the self-pity routine I get into. Another one of my bad habits. But that doesn't mean I'm going to commit suicide. I love life 90% of the time. :)

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 8:52:36 PM   
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Also, I'm not really suicidal, but since you are so intuitive, you already knew that. I occasionally indulge in suicidal thoughts. It's part of the self-pity routine I get into. Another one of my bad habits. But that doesn't mean I'm going to commit suicide. I love life 90% of the time. :)



Here is another one of your really bad habits, over dramatizing your emotional states to get a rise out of people on forums....

If anything this last post of yours just reinforces my prior opinion. you should seek professional help

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/21/2011 8:55:03 PM   
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Oh My Goodness!  It's nice to see you posting again, julia!

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/22/2011 5:06:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

Also, I'm not really suicidal, but since you are so intuitive, you already knew that. I occasionally indulge in suicidal thoughts. It's part of the self-pity routine I get into. Another one of my bad habits. But that doesn't mean I'm going to commit suicide. I love life 90% of the time. :)



Here is another one of your really bad habits, over dramatizing your emotional states to get a rise out of people on forums....

If anything this last post of yours just reinforces my prior opinion. you should seek professional help


Just because I feel better now, and my depression was only a temporary state, doesn't mean I was overdramatizing then...but maybe you don't understand that.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/22/2011 7:03:02 AM   
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*waves at Lady Pact*

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/22/2011 7:06:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subbykat

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

Also, I'm not really suicidal, but since you are so intuitive, you already knew that. I occasionally indulge in suicidal thoughts. It's part of the self-pity routine I get into. Another one of my bad habits. But that doesn't mean I'm going to commit suicide. I love life 90% of the time. :)



Here is another one of your really bad habits, over dramatizing your emotional states to get a rise out of people on forums....

If anything this last post of yours just reinforces my prior opinion. you should seek professional help


Just because I feel better now, and my depression was only a temporary state, doesn't mean I was overdramatizing then...but maybe you don't understand that.


I think people who talk about suicide need help, even if they only are talking about it for attention, like you did here.

I find it rather sad that a good many people extended themselves on this thread to try to be of help to you, but you only had time to respond to one person who understood your "pity party"....

I've wasted enough of my time here.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/22/2011 7:34:52 AM   
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Wow!! So all better now then hey?

I agree what others have said. Seek psychological help to sort yourself. It doesn't mean that you are less of a person. (OR if it makes you think better of it to live in drama ~yes it means you are incompetent)

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