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myotherself -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 12:09:52 AM)
But surely a woman ALREADY has the choice to do drugs? The decision to take it is hers to make, and hers alone. The fact that it's difficult, expensive and illegal to get those drugs is her problem - she chooses to overcome those barriers when she chooses to do drugs.

GreedyTop -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 12:13:59 AM)
adores da Bunny stopping now, because I am sleepy, and I just KNOW that what I say will come off totally wrong.. damn the foggy brain.. !! Bon soir mes amis!! and good night to those I think are idiots, too... (bunny, the FIRST applies to you grin)

myotherself -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 1:15:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop Bon soir mes amis!! and good night to those I think are idiots, too... (bunny, the FIRST applies to you grin) lol - thanks for the clarification! Sleep well [:D]

Hippiekinkster -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 1:39:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic crack ends up controlling you So does effexor. So does restoril. SO does tobacco. So does ethanol.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 1:51:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myotherself The fact that it's difficult, expensive and illegal to get those drugs is her problem - she chooses to overcome those barriers when she chooses to do drugs. Add in "dangerous" and you've got a description for illegal abortions as well.

myotherself -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 1:52:39 AM)
your question was about drugs, not abortion.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 1:55:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myotherself your question was about drugs, not abortion. Thread title is pretty obviously a pro-choice argument wrt abortion.

myotherself -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 2:07:18 AM)
Thread title is pretty obviously a pro-choice argument wrt abortion. And yet your OP wasn't. But going with your current argument - women have the right to find an illegal abortion if they want to. Illegal abortions are not necessarily unsafe. If it's the coathanger in the hands of a psycopath, then yes it's dangerous. If it's a medically approved method performed by a trained person, then it's no less risky than 'legal' abortion. I would also like to add that EVERYONE has the choice to do what they want with their body as long as it does not endanger non-consensual others in the process, and that they accept the risks that go with their choice. edited to fix quote and grammatical errors

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 2:09:53 AM)
quote: I would also like to add that EVERYONE has the choice to do what they want with their body as long as it does not endanger non-consensual others in the process, and that they accept the risks that go with that. I agree with this.

Lucylastic -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 3:35:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imperatrixx quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic crack ends up controlling you So "a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body unless other people think she can't handle the consequences"? Hmmm now how did you get that out of my words? I meant nothing of the kind Society doesnt give a shit about a crack addict untill she breaks the law/gets caught, and doesnt give a shit after she has been punished Abortion isnt against the law. Please dont put words in my mouth

thishereboi -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 6:47:50 AM)
When women start going through withdrawals from abortions or feel the need to break into the neighbors house to steal money to buy another abortion, I will agree that there is a connection. Until then you are comparing apple to oranges. One had nothing to do with the other.

Lucylastic -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 6:49:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi When women start going through withdrawals from abortions or feel the need to break into the neighbors house to steal money to buy another abortion, I will agree that there is a connection. Until then you are comparing apple to oranges. One had nothing to do with the other. This works for me

thishereboi -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 6:52:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 What if society were to compel men to become fathers? Milk them for their sperm and then force them to pay child support? Her body, her choice. That is all. Isn't that exactly what happens? The father has no say in the decision, whether he wants the baby or not. Unless she impregnates herself with a turkey baster at a sperm bank, it should not only be her choice but a choice made by both involved. yea, I always wonder about that part of it. I had a friend a long time ago who got his girlfriend pregnant. He had a good job and a family that was willing to help him raise the child. She said she was too young to have a kid and wanted an abortion. He said she wouldn't have to be a part of the kids life at all, in fact if she wanted him to, he would tell the child she had died. All he wanted was the chance to raise his child. He had no rights so she had the abortion. It just doesn't seem right.

GreedyTop -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 7:15:15 AM)
~FR~ Devil's advocate, here: lets make the woman a bit older, say in her 30s. let's give her a job that requires lots of travel, or is physically taxing (say, truck driving/ cab driving/ international sales/ hell, even waitressing). Let's say that the BC didn't work. She's single. Having to deal with the standard pregnancy stuff (doctor appts., morning sickness - which doesnt always happen in the morning, I've learned - not to mention fatigue, and the increasing inability to do certain activities due to teh baby belly, if nothing else), she decides it is in her best interest to terminate. Daddy is able to/wants to keep the child. AWESOME!! But is he willing to support Mom while she is unable to work? How about after she's lost her job because of her inability to perform said job? 9 months is a long time to expect an employer to to hold a position open, especially in the current market.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 7:22:32 AM)
quote: yea, I always wonder about that part of it. I had a friend a long time ago who got his girlfriend pregnant. He had a good job and a family that was willing to help him raise the child. She said she was too young to have a kid and wanted an abortion. He said she wouldn't have to be a part of the kids life at all, in fact if she wanted him to, he would tell the child she had died. All he wanted was the chance to raise his child. He had no rights so she had the abortion. It just doesn't seem right. It doesnt seem right that anyone would try and say its perfectly ok to force a woman through 9 months of pregancy, all the complications, delivery, recovery... all because a man wants to raise a child.

thishereboi -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 7:25:08 AM)
In this particular case, the guys family was willing to support her while she was pregnant and pay for all medical costs involved. Now I am not saying that she should or shouldn't have had the baby, but I do think it is sad that the father had no say in whether or not his child was going to be allowed to live.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 7:27:20 AM)
There is an extremely good reason why, boi.

Edwynn -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 7:30:43 AM)
"Devil's advocate, here" I will always be an advocate for this lil' devil calling herself GreedyTop. But this post above brings up yet another issue. Let's look at what other countries do in regards to parental leave. I visit several details about other countries and how they do things. I look at how Sweden deals with the pregnancy and parental leave thing, then I look at what GreedyTop just presented to us, and my kneejerk reaction was 'WTF low-life third world country is this? Oh my! I think it begins with the letter U and ends with the letter a. You mean this country? "Got baby? Here's yer 6 weeks, aren't we so generous! Get back to work now."

Lucylastic -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 7:32:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 What if society were to compel men to become fathers? Milk them for their sperm and then force them to pay child support? Her body, her choice. That is all. Isn't that exactly what happens? The father has no say in the decision, whether he wants the baby or not. Unless she impregnates herself with a turkey baster at a sperm bank, it should not only be her choice but a choice made by both involved. yea, I always wonder about that part of it. I had a friend a long time ago who got his girlfriend pregnant. He had a good job and a family that was willing to help him raise the child. She said she was too young to have a kid and wanted an abortion. He said she wouldn't have to be a part of the kids life at all, in fact if she wanted him to, he would tell the child she had died. All he wanted was the chance to raise his child. He had no rights so she had the abortion. It just doesn't seem right. so you would be ok for a woman to be forced to carry a child to term, ?

thishereboi -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 7:38:07 AM)
quote: so you would be ok for a woman to be forced to carry a child to term, ? Well that is the problem, because no, I wouldn't.

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