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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 6:34:03 AM

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I'm not advocating anything, and I agree with you 100%. All I am saying is that some sickos will rape based on a woman's appearance/dress. If being dressed as a nun hits the right spot with him, he will rape a nun, but no-one can say a nun is dressed provocatively.

Which also makes your statement false. A rapists will rape regardless of what a woman wears. The statement was always applied to a woman who "dressed" for it. As you have pointed out, a nun hardly dresses for sex, making the assumption that rape is because of the outfit a woman chooses rediculous.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 6:43:30 AM

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I'm not advocating anything, and I agree with you 100%. All I am saying is that some sickos will rape based on a woman's appearance/dress. If being dressed as a nun hits the right spot with him, he will rape a nun, but no-one can say a nun is dressed provocatively.

Which also makes your statement false. A rapists will rape regardless of what a woman wears. The statement was always applied to a woman who "dressed" for it. As you have pointed out, a nun hardly dresses for sex, making the assumption that rape is because of the outfit a woman chooses rediculous.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I simply said.... well not to repeat myself, but the fact is that rapists often, perhaps usually, pick on a particular type that turns them on, usually based on age, hair color, and how they dress, etc. I am not in any way suggesting that the victims are "dressed for it" or "asking for it". That is what you are saying I am saying.

For someone who is so verbose, perhaps You should read a little more carefully before You get on your high horse and criticize what you mistakenly think others say.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 6:51:21 AM

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I am not in any way suggesting that the victims are "dressed for it" or "asking for it".

Yet that is what I said I would argue.

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the belief that a woman is raped because of what she wears.

It has nothing to do with what she wears, and everything to do with a twisted, angry mind.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 6:52:04 AM

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Fast reply to whom it concerns

With all due respects, this thread is not about the why's and wherefore's of rape, so could you please take the argument elsewhere.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 6:57:09 AM

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You could respond to my post, Aneirin, which was quite on topic.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 7:36:25 AM

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Where have all the miracles gone ?

I think they're still around, but they haven't amounted to much since Smokey Robinson went solo.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 8:06:00 AM

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Anernin:

My first thought was : How many miracles would it take to convince people ? There will always be non believers and those who will debunk the miracles. God never promised miracles for eternity.

There are miracles in every religion, but I can only speak for my own as I am not as familiar with the miracles of Islam, Hindu etc.

For me : Exodus 34:10:

Behold, I am making a covenant. Before all your people I will do marvels, such as have not been created in all the earth or in any nation. And all the people among whom you are shall see the work of the LORD, for it is an awesome thing that I will do with you.

The Lord was speaking to Moses and his people. He did not say he would create miracles for eternity, he said he would produce miracles for Moses and his people. * I * interpret that to be the Jews that were with Moses at the time, not the entire Jewish population for ever and ever.

There is plenty of data available that backs up or explains some of the Biblical miracles. For each miracle a scientist tries to explain through natural occurances or a scientific logic, there are 10 more who will try and disprove that. It's a funny thing to me. Why such a determination to disprove what may prove something Biblical. < rhetorical > Why can't science and Religion co exist. In my world they do.

I also believe we do see miracles, we just don't recognize them as such. In Biblical times people were of a simpler mind than we have evolved to be. Sooo.. if we were to try and imagine living in that time with some of todays happenings we quite possibly could see what we currently see as interesting, cute or unusual as a miracle. Let's say one of the miracles in the Bible said: "And Jesus made the great cat lay down with the sea serpants". In todays world perhaps it was this they wittnessed :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VvFUblt6Cw

If that were a Biblical or ancient story, scientists could easily say it's impossible for a mammel to lay with a fish, a mammel cannot live in water and a fish could not live on land. Easily disproving the cat and fish story, but nature is a powerful gift from God < imo > and miracles happen all the time in nature.

But in the end it comes down to Faith. Faith cannot be explained scientifically and many will reject that which they cannot see with their own eyes or comprehend with their minds. As firm as some are in their disbelief of religious miracles, there are those who are equally firm in their legitamacy and no amount of debunking will change that which they believe and don't need to see or experince to believe.

I happen to agree with Tazzy. While your intent may not have been to bash religion, we all know that is exactly what happens here whenever a person tries to present a question/theory about religion. The best of intentions on a reasonable religous conversation is an open invitation for some to bash the people of faith.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 9:25:49 AM

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Where have all the miracles gone ?

Miracles still happen.

I do hope, though, that the only-one-in-a-thousand-persons-survive miracles will slumber for quite some time.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 9:31:28 AM

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Where have all the miracles gone ?

Each moment is a miracle.

Open your eyes.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 9:47:35 AM

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Where have all the miracles gone ?

Each moment is a miracle.

Open your eyes.

This.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 12:44:48 PM

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Where have all the miracles gone ?

I think they're still around, but they haven't amounted to much since Smokey Robinson went solo.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 12:48:36 PM

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Except that you don't.

You tirelessly attack any agnostic or atheist viewpoints, then try to claim neutrality.

And yet there is a thread here asking for an atheist point of view on atheist chaplains. I happen to agree with the need for such, and, as a result, have not posted one word against the issue.

But that "tirelessly attacking" can also be seen as constantly questioning the belief of others when those who question have admitted their utter contempt for that belief.

I wasnt aware you supported bigotry.

That is the problem right there.

You view questioning someone's belief in religion as bigotry but you have no problem questioning and disparaging the lack of belief.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 12:54:20 PM

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I see miracles in nature every day, have you ever watched Life of Plants, or Planet Earth or the Blue Planet? miracles happen daily... most of us are just looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place
Nothing to do with religion for me.
To see nature in all its glory the reality of what happens beneath our noses, even thru a tv screen, is miraculous by my standards.

All the dead fish that turned up dead earlier this year, may well have been seen as a miracle before science or oil spills
as well as the fact that frog rain is a real phenomena,
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/rain-frog1.htm

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 12:57:32 PM

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When have i disparaged the lack of belief?

I hold no contempt for those who do not believe, nor do I hold contempt for those who do not believe as I believe.

The contempt I hold is for those who demand others believe that god doesnt exist and repeatedly point this out for all.

I have yet to see anyone demand any atheist to believe in god... in the supernatural... in spirituality... in anything.

If I have missed that post, please show me.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 12:58:36 PM

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I see miracles in nature every day, have you ever watched Life of Plants, or Planet Earth or the Blue Planet? miracles happen daily... most of us are just looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place
Nothing to do with religion for me.
To see nature in all its glory the reality of what happens beneath our noses, even thru a tv screen, is miraculous by my standards.

All the dead fish that turned up dead earlier this year, may well have been seen as a miracle before science or oil spills
as well as the fact that frog rain is a real phenomena,
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/rain-frog1.htm

LOL.. now you are talking MY "religion" Lucy!

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 1:00:52 PM

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Go in peace my child:)

Sister Lucy, Mother Superior , Church of Latter day Perverts and Nature lovers:)

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 1:03:41 PM

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Just keep it up and you may have me praying at your "altar"

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 1:06:55 PM

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woooooooooooooooo:) does a happy dance

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 1:16:43 PM

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Rape is an act of violence and anger, not sex.

Right..Maybe they're angry cause women are dressing like whores? :>

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I heard it once said that a woman should be able to walk through a crown of men, naked, and emerge untouched.

That was on a nightstand at a Holiday Inn? lol You heard it once huh?

Whoever said that isn't firing on all cylinders.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 4/30/2011 1:17:23 PM

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What is who afraid of? Is it fear? Or is it a lack of understanding that the whole society had? How would you go back in time and explain to a biblical era person the ability to replace an organ? eyes? revive a drowning vitctim for that matter? They would consider those things miracles. We would consider them everyday occurances.

Apologies if i am being picky here, Tazzy, but the "biblical period" encompassed the time of Democritus and Epicurus who were already several centuries before Jesus describing the material world in terms of atoms. It also overlaps the construction of the great library in Alexandria and the cosmopolitanism and migration of Greek thought. I have read that nearly 40 percent of the residents of Alexandria were Jewish. I have also read that the Maccabean rebellion (prior to Jesus) was in part a rebellion against the spread of Helenization and specifically the placing a statue of Zeus in the Temple in Jerusalem. My point is that the population of Judea was not all so ignorant as biblical apologists make them out to be. The notion that they needed miracles to explain nature is dubious.

Secondly, i am not so sure there is any archeological evidence, any artifacts that confirm the presence of Jewry in the Egyptian captivity. If someone can point me to that evidence i would greatly appreciate it. Thanx.

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