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what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 5:28:45 AM   
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Total Power Exchange.

but means what?


no such concepts in Chinese language
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RE: what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 5:32:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		It simply means that the dominant has the right to make every and any possible decision for the submissive and the submissive has agreed to obey those decisions.

It does not mean the dominant has to make all those decisions however. The fact that The Man can decide what he wants to eat for dinner doesn't mean he is telling me every single day what to cook.




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RE: what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 5:34:07 AM   
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Think of a continuum.  At one end are vanilla relationships, with the power held being equal.  Move a bit, and you find vanilla relationships with one person in charge.  Keep moving, and you get to a Dom/sub relationship.  Keep going, and you get to a Master (or Mistress)/slave relationship.  At the extreme end of a M/s relationship is TPE.

In theory, a TPE slave has no rights and no limits.  In actual fact, a TPE slave has his or her Master's/Mistress' limits.  There's some argument about other rights, especailly the one to leave the relationship.

The short version is that TPE is the most extreme case of a M/s relationship.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 5:44:31 AM   
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what is tpe?

Total Power Exchange.


yes... there is a massive problem with the phrase
i still have no idea what the power gets exchanged for...
when you go to a money exchange you get other money back...
i don't think anybody would consider taking money there and leaving with nothing.

it should be TPG : Total Power Grab, or Total Power Gift
or PA: Power Agreement (as power can be taken back at any given moment too)

it basically is a whole load of nonsense that some people take ridiculously serious.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 6:56:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Total Power Exchange: it's amazing how many people get hung up on the words total and power, but forget the exchange part.

I see a  TPE as a circular exchange in which the parties are very spiritually attuned, to the point that both merge to become a better whole. I've seen it often in old married couples who have no idea they have a TPE, the relationship flows effortlessly.

When a couple has this degree of compatibility, TPE is what quite naturally emerges out of the dynamic, though it can take months or even years to develop the necessary trust.







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RE: what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 3:33:42 PM   
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what is tpe?

Total Power Exchange.

but means what?



Sometimes it is a synonym for Master/slave.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 10:21:02 PM   
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yes... there is a massive problem with the phrase
i still have no idea what the power gets exchanged for...
  Responsibility.


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RE: what is tpe? - 5/2/2011 10:30:10 PM   
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yes... there is a massive problem with the phrase
i still have no idea what the power gets exchanged for...
  Responsibility.

Everyone please place your tray tables and seats in the upright position because the world must be coming to an end...

I agree with Awareness.


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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 2:11:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ranja
yes... there is a massive problem with the phrase
i still have no idea what the power gets exchanged for...
  Responsibility.



So the master has all the power and the slave all the responsibility?
or did you mean the master has all the power AND all the responsibility?
nice try but it still seems flawed

i agree better with Chatte it is circular, the power flows from one to the other

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 2:43:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ranja

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: ranja
yes... there is a massive problem with the phrase
i still have no idea what the power gets exchanged for...
 
Responsibility.



So the master has all the power and the slave all the responsibility?
or did you mean the master has all the power AND all the responsibility?
nice try but it still seems flawed


You touch upon the quandary "TPE" presents in my mind as well, Ranja. Responsibility is indeed present in both parties. Perhaps the "exchange" is his dominance for her submission? That would at least be using the concept of exchange correctly. I get the "total" part. I think the confusing component to the initialism is "power" (authority to do something) in conjunction with "exchange" (the act of giving one thing and receiving another). I don't see power being exchanged, unless you view submission as a power as well. What I do see is giving something to receive something from both orientations, though that's putting it rather crudely.

Total Power Exchange is more highbrow and palatable than "Master and slave". It sounds so cool and cerebral. I think that's the only real use I can see for these neat initialisms and acronyms; they can serve as innocuous stand-ins when in the presence of polite company or a pretentious college peer. Otherwise, I don't understand why Master/Mistress and slave can't be used.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 6:21:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure why so many people have issues with understanding this. I have lived it in a TPE realationship before and awareness is correct. The power that is exchanged it on a very deep level. One person gives up their peronal power(some would say to become a "slave" ) and the other person in exchange becomes responsible (in every way) for the person giving up power. I don't think anyone is going to like me saying this but think of it as if you owned a pet. You feed it, care for it, make it feel safe. And if it bites the neighbor you pay the fine for it as well. The "pet" give you affection, does as it is told, in exchange you do not expect the pet to come up with money to buy it's own kibble and bits(dog food for anyone that doesn't have it in their country)

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 6:47:15 PM   
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You touch upon the quandary "TPE" presents in my mind as well, Ranja. Responsibility is indeed present in both parties. Perhaps the "exchange" is his dominance for her submission? That would at least be using the concept of exchange correctly. I get the "total" part. I think the confusing component to the initialism is "power" (authority to do something) in conjunction with "exchange" (the act of giving one thing and receiving another). I don't see power being exchanged, unless you view submission as a power as well. What I do see is giving something to receive something from both orientations, though that's putting it rather crudely.

Total Power Exchange is more highbrow and palatable than "Master and slave". It sounds so cool and cerebral. I think that's the only real use I can see for these neat initialisms and acronyms; they can serve as innocuous stand-ins when in the presence of polite company or a pretentious college peer. Otherwise, I don't understand why Master/Mistress and slave can't be used. ~MarcEsadrian



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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 7:10:52 PM   
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"authority transfer"

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 8:03:48 PM   
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I am not sure why so many people have issues with understanding this.


It's not understanding what the phrase really represents, it's resolving the logic of the words chosen to describe it. Total Power exchange doesn't make as much sense to me as Master and slave. I've also heard of Ultimate Authority Transfer, too. Creative inventions, these, but I'm at a loss as to why the BDSM culture had to reinvent the wheel in this regard, and in the process muddy up the waters a little. Is it to escape a stigma attached to Master and slave? I'd be curious to hear from those who might think that way.


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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain
I have lived in a TPE relationship before and Awareness is correct. The power that is exchanged [is] on a very deep level. One person gives up their personal power (some would say to become a "slave") and the other person in exchange becomes responsible (in every way) for the person giving up power.


So why not TRE (Total Responsibility Exchange) or TP&RE (Total Power & Responsibility Exchange)? Kidding aside, don't get me wrong; I think Awareness's concept of power for responsibility was correct in a stewardship sense, though anyone who has submitted before to this level knows such submission involves a great deal of responsibility and accountability, too. It's neat to think of yourself as a simple and carefree dog, and trust I am one to appreciate that visualization and practice, but the human reality is we are complex creatures with egos and ids to corral, not to mention instructions to obey and transparency to uphold when living under servitude. The notion a slave under ideal conditioning is a vacuous third-person speaking shell that doesn't take responsibility for herself invites a loophole for trouble in my mind. While the Master does wield responsibility for the slave, there is responsibility both parties possess and retain therein, ultimately. For this reason, I find the responsibility exchange concept ambiguous in light of TPE, and prefer the shoulder room of M/s far more. But that's my take entirely, of course.



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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 8:31:08 PM   
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You have much to learn if you don't view submission as power, my young Padawan. JMO.....YMMV


Submission is internal power in the ability to execute it personally, and lends power to all served by the servant, but in the right and capacity to control the Master or Mistress or to enact authority? Obviously, no. Considering the latter to be the likely usual suspect when the term "power" is thought about in D/s, the other ideas seem perhaps a little too esoteric to be clearly conveyed to the layman or novice with the phrase TPE.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 8:45:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Ultimate Authority Transfer" I admit I have never heard it called this before. I would guess as far as master and slave goes that it might be because slaves are property and therefore not someone one would have to care about unless they wanted to (why I picked the word pet,people often actually care for their pets) Why not TRE (Total Responsibility Exchange) because he has no responsibility for me. But I might just be reading that as the semantics of the english language.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 9:04:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain
One person gives up their peronal power and the other person in exchange becomes responsible (in every way) for the person giving up power.


vs.

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain
I would guess as far as master and slave goes that it might be because slaves are property and therefore not someone one would have to care about unless they wanted to.


No disrespect to you, Miss Pain, but with these seemingly conflicting premises in mind, the responsibility concept seems a little dubious. Are you inherently conveying the idea that a TPE relationship is a little different and therefore not synonymous with a Master and slave relationship?


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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 9:40:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually this is a little hard for me to make clear, but I will take a shot. I hate the word slave. I don't use it because it is not legal to own humans. Many others do use the word though...even wanting to "own" one, or be one. I am not sure what you see conflicting in what I said (other then me implying slaves are human) It is an agreement between...beings (better word? ) To be honest I was trying to avoid stepping on anyones toes.


*edit (again) * yes that is what I was saying. It is different....in my opinion.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 10:10:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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ORIGINAL: ranja
yes... there is a massive problem with the phrase
i still have no idea what the power gets exchanged for...
  Responsibility.

Everyone please place your tray tables and seats in the upright position because the world must be coming to an end...

I agree with Awareness.

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RE: what is tpe? - 5/3/2011 10:18:31 PM   
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So the master has all the power and the slave all the responsibility?
or did you mean the master has all the power AND all the responsibility?
nice try but it still seems flawed

i agree better with Chatte it is circular, the power flows from one to the other
  Inasmuch as 'Master' and 'slave' are approximate terms which are subject to endless semantic debates, TPE involves the submissive partner exchanging authority/power for the absence of responsibility and accountability they crave.

The submissive exchanges the power to decide for the freedom from doing so.  The Dominant assumes the mantle of decision maker and gives up freedom from responsibility.

Rather than two beings who each are roughly approximate in power, they become yin and yang - thus the psychological difference between them is accentuated and consequently the sexual polarity increases.  If your D/s interaction is not hot as fuck, you're either doing it wrong or you're one of those people who isolate it from your sexual existence


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