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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 4:28:55 PM

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Pooh.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 4:49:48 PM

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Pooh.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 4:58:03 PM

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I do think there is a gender bias. Women, moreso than men, insist that men be muscular, powerful, uncompromising, own a fast car, be leaders.

God, how dismal. That just sounds like the fast track to a heart attack and an early grave, to me.

Not only is that dismal, but it is also a ridiculously overstated generalization that certain men believe because they get rejected by the type of women who actually do desire those characteristics.

Sort of like men saying that "all women like tall men" or "all women want assholes", you see what I am getting at.

As for some women not thinking someone is dominant "enough" because they rub their backs, etc., again, another generalization.

Within every topic, obviously there are those who like one sort of dynamic and others who do not.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:10:00 PM

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Oh come on! This thread was getting fun, and you have to stalk my posts yet again? Seriously. Whenever you do this it demonstrates the amount of power I have over you.

It *is* dismal. This is one of the main reasons suicide, alcohol use, and prescriptions for antidepressants go up when the economy goes down. Men feel emasculated, and women feel as though the men in their lives are not worthy of respect. It is the anomie of the dude working as a server after getting a college degree and a bunch of student loans. How many "hotties" will he ever have the courage to hit on in his life, much less date?

There is always an exception. Social scientists deal with statistics and trends. And in this case, the trend is large and growing. In five years there will be more men who are angry at women, and more women who don't respect men. Fact.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:14:20 PM

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Hey! My pals are not allowed to fight!

The three of us are in a similar age group, and speaking from my own observation/experience,I don't know any women who are looking to hook up with a CEO. Considering some of my friends' taste in men, I rather wish they would! What I think many women want or hope for is a *provider*. But, many of my friends are single parents. YMMV.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:14:26 PM

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I do think there is a gender bias. Women, moreso than men, insist that men be muscular, powerful, uncompromising, own a fast car, be leaders.

God, how dismal. That just sounds like the fast track to a heart attack and an early grave, to me.

Not only is that dismal, but it is also a ridiculously overstated generalization that certain men believe because they get rejected by the type of women who actually do desire those characteristics.

That fits with my intuitions. It's also good to hear because I think it'd better for my mental and physical health to be partnered with the most evil-tempered Domme than a femsub like that. Screw that for a lark.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:18:51 PM

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Hon, I am not stalking your posts, it just so happens that when I read something that ANYONE writes that I disagree with, I am inclined to comment. If it seems that I comment on you alot, it is because I disagree with how you state things. So what, get over it.

I was also commenting on someone one else here who speaks like you do. Just your comments on about how many "hotties" a guy will not be able to hit on if he is not rich or powerful, smacks of your own insecurity. Can't you see that?

Men are not being emasculated; if a man feels emasculated by losing his job, he has bigger issues than financial. If a man allows a woman to make him feel emasculated, he should find another one. If a man only chooses the type of women who feel money and power make a dominant, then he needs to re evaluate his choices.

You are too funny; you have no power over me or anyone else, apparently or you would not know so much about this particular topic.

Yes, stop posting and please do go back to "playtime". Your DVD and hand misses you.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:20:09 PM

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In five years there will be more men who are angry at women, and more women who don't respect men. Fact.

Do you really see this, Red? OK, maybe for the short term future. But my growing sense is that the two (majority) sexes are easing off with each other. The twenty-somethings seem so much more laid back about gender roles. I have good feelings about these things regarding, say, a period twenty-five years from now.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:23:54 PM

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You do realize that a post with that many personal attacks in it supports a theory that you have some kind of personal issue with me, right?

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:28:00 PM

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I hope that you're right, Darling. As a counterpoint, I offer our former Australian correspondent, MrAntiFeminist.

Here in America, work/paycheck = self esteem for a LOT of men. Men who don't work are seriously slagged, and men who don't work while their women DO? Heaven help them. Unemployment is a big issue here, and the fabric of our economy is changing in a bad way. I see men (and women) with big ticket jobs being downsized or outsourced, and it is demoralizing as hell. Traditionally, the low paying service industry jobs are easier fro women to find. It's not a happy thought.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:28:22 PM

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In five years there will be more men who are angry at women, and more women who don't respect men. Fact.

Do you really see this, Red? OK, maybe for the short term future. But my growing sense is that the two (majority) sexes are easing off with each other. The twenty-somethings seem so much more laid back about gender roles. I have good feelings about these things regarding, say, a period twenty-five years from now.

In countries where the economy is long term healthy (china being the most prominent example) I agree with you. Increasing wealth will accomplish an advance in the status of women that government policy has not. In the United States, which is increasingly fragile, and people saying for example that the majority of universities are likely to go bankrupt within thirty years, I doubt your trend will take place. The EU is an edge case perhaps, and could go either way.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:28:55 PM

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No, I do not have a personal issue with you. You said this thread is not fun any longer because I was stalking your posts. I told you I do not stalk you, I comment on posts I disagree with.

Why would I have an issue with you? I never spoke to you or met you.

I am allowed to illustrate my points and you are taking things way too personally. If you read over the post, I said that some men who feel that way are insecure and should make better choices in women.

Why are not upset that Peon, for example disagrees with you? Is it because he is a man who is disagreeing? Or do you only get upset when women disagree.

Out of respect for Heather, I will not derail this any longer with you. If you have a problem with my disagreeing with your posts, you can put me on hide.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:44:46 PM

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In countries where the economy is long term healthy (china being the most prominent example) I agree with you. Increasing wealth will accomplish an advance in the status of women that government policy has not. In the United States, which is increasingly fragile, and people saying for example that the majority of universities are likely to go bankrupt within thirty years, I doubt your trend will take place. The EU is an edge case perhaps, and could go either way.

Lordy, this is a difficult one to call. Yes, I agree: economic factors are likely to be socially corrosive in the near future. But in exactly that way? Who can tell?

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:51:58 PM

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I think comparisons between the USA and the weimar republic are useful. Not in the sense of "swastikas around the corner watch out," but how sexual mores and gender roles are affected by the government printing money it doesn't have. Sugar daddy sites, the popularity of "Girls Next Door" type tv shows, etc, (what is sometimes referred to as "Dating 2.0") are the equivalent of the German cabaret lifestyle. Those who can participate are "winning," (the Charlie Sheen ethos) and those who can't are pissed.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 5:52:23 PM

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Shoot, I just expect them to be employed and of good character...

Damn it! Total strike out on my part here.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 8:14:17 PM

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I'm sorry RedMagic, but I disagree with you as well. If most straight sub women really are attracted to men like Awareness, then presumably most male Doms are like him. If that's the case I thank my lucky stars that I'm way too Takei to ever go down that sidewalk.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 8:26:44 PM

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What are you disagreeing with? My claim is that a significant percentage of women, vanilla and kinky, see traditional masculine power as a primary aphrodisiac. And that as more men are rendered powerless as a result of the reduction in real wages in the US, this causes symptoms like increased domestic violence, especially in hard hit areas like Detroit. What part of that do you believe to be false?

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 9:04:52 PM

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I know you directed that at Heather, but personally...pretty much all of it.

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My claim is that a significant percentage of women, vanilla and kinky, see traditional masculine power as a primary aphrodisiac.

That's funny, i seem to recall that you said something a little different a few posts ago...

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but his position on female subs being attracted to male doms is, frankly, obviously true.

I don't notice your "significant percentage" in that. Moving the goal posts is a cheap tactic. Anyway, all that aside, I disagree that this is so. Yes many women are attracted to "powerful" men, but oddly enough more schlubs and losers and basic bums get laid and married every day than rich and powerful guys. How is it that those men who have none of the "traditional masculine power" seem to have little trouble getting their wicks dipped by very enthusiastic women?

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And that as more men are rendered powerless as a result of the reduction in real wages in the US, this causes symptoms like increased domestic violence, especially in hard hit areas like Detroit.

Bullshit here as well. What you are doing is looking at statistics and reading them to confirm a conclusion you arrived at before seeing the stats. If a man feels powerless because his effective income drops, then he has serious psychological issues, likewise, if a man beats his wife and kids as a way to make himself feel powerful, he also has serious psychological issues. Is this really your position? That the vast majority of men have major mental health problems?

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Those who can participate are "winning," (the Charlie Sheen ethos) and those who can't are pissed.

No. You are pissed, because you aren't getting laid.

What I've gotten from your posts is that you don't get a lot of women, and you blame the fact that you aren't very macho or manly in the traditional sense for that. And furthermore, you resent those women for their supposed shallow tastes. Dude, maybe they just thought you were too short, or too tall, or you had a beard, or you didn't have a beard, or your shoe was untied, or your clothes didn't match. Maybe they just masturbated in the washroom and were feeling uninterested in sex or men at the moment you approached them. Or they had spotted a guy they thought was cute 2 minutes before you came along and therefore they weren't interested in anybody else at that moment. The possibilities are endless, every woman has about 10 million reasons to say no to any given guy on any given night.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 9:19:34 PM

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Um. Except that RedMagic has no trouble getting laid, and is a hansome, smart, and well spoken guy, I agree with you, Arpig. :)

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/29/2011 9:20:08 PM

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Arpig, in Awareness's post, he said he was talking about "masculine men" and "feminine women." There are no goal posts moving if I refer to a statistical percentage in that post, as he was not talking about all men, nor all women. Anyway, this is why I don't usually discuss politics and economics here. People would rather say I am posting for a "reason" instead of providing scientific data to contradict. My knowledge of this comes from volunteer work in the trenches over a period of many years, not inability to get laid. In any case, you will believe what you want. I tried. All the best.

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