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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 9:51:00 AM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		This is hardly a true representation of the purpose or function of a collar of protection. Why don't you try *listening* to those who explain, rather than crowing your misconception from the rooftops?

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
But to slap a collar on their neck, misleading other people, and having them think its going to protect them from all evil or suddenly make them feel comfortable, 10 foot tall and bulletproof....is just (IMO) absurd!


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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 9:57:05 AM   
OhBeMyMind


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

One of the local groups in my area offers what they call a "House Collar," for newcomers who feel unsure of themselves, not knowing anyone, maybe new to the scene entirely and not sure what they like and don't like and afraid to take those first steps but equally afraid of offending by asking or being embarrassed to say no if approached (or, possibly, even to say yes!).  Anyone wishing to play with the submissive in question must ask the Dungeon Monitor, who then determines the submissive's wishes; or, the DM may approach a Dom on the submissive's behalf. 

All in all, the house collar is intended to be a kind of buffer to make the newcomer feel more comfortable, and eventually they'll find their feet and not want it any more.



Edited to sarcastically say:  Cock-a-doodle-doo

< Message edited by OhBeMyMind -- 5/14/2006 9:58:51 AM >

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:08:22 AM   
OhBeMyMind


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Status: offline 		It is not unusual for me to read and re-read posts, others as well as my own.....and just so happens I re-read this one and realized that I was just flamed.  How ironic!!!!!
My Misconsecption?  Because I do not agree with you?
I think I was pretty straightforward and left no question that my post was "MY OPINION"  nothing else, hardly a misconception.
Tsk tsk tsk.....shame on you ladymorgan. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

This is hardly a true representation of the purpose or function of a collar of protection. Why don't you try *listening* to those who explain, rather than crowing your misconception from the rooftops?

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
But to slap a collar on their neck, misleading other people, and having them think its going to protect them from all evil or suddenly make them feel comfortable, 10 foot tall and bulletproof....is just (IMO) absurd!



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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:26:59 AM   
puella


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quote:

Okay.. this is fast degenerating into a shit kicking contest, so I will just clear up a couple of things and wash off my clogs.. heh

twicehappy... I respect your opinion and fully agree you are entitled to it.. as I am mine... I was just explaining my point in this debate... If it is to be a debate, more than one side of the argument should be presented and argued; if it is not to be a debate, as to the why's and wherefores.. I guess we should strike the whole thing off the board?

Anyway... I always enjoy your posts!

No one has really answered my questions however.... what does the collar protect you from?  And what does a collar mean, if it can come on and come off when ever you need it?

I just stated that I find it a bit demeaning to have collars bandied about in that way... but  thats just my perspective and opinion and not going to change the fact that many like it the way they use it.



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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:29:19 AM   
feastie


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Status: offline 		You know, I am a submissive woman, but I am also a woman with a very strong sense of self.  If I am not smart enough to tell some bozo to back off me, or not attend an event that will make me feel uncomfortable or to know what is right (yes, I'll speak with you) and wrong (no, you may  not bind me and flog me) then I pretty much have no business being allowed out on my own, much less having a job, children to raise, etc.

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:32:21 AM   
puella


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Yeah !

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:34:44 AM   
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quote:

Ooh crap
shit kicking


Lot's of shout outs to CrappyDom happening here.



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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:43:39 AM   
BitaTruble


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Status: offline 		There is a place in SF called Citadel. There is a Maestro (as he refers to himself to impart a 'teacher' rather than Master or Owner mentality ... his event, his rules and all that)  hold slave auctions, play parties, have meetings etc. You can earn "money" (or free entrance to an event) by doing tasks, DMing, lecturing etc. which you can then "spend" on various luxuries, like bid on slaves during auctions and stuff. Quite often, single submissive females are used as servants (serve drinks, get the dominants food etc) and during their service they wear these little blue ribbons where are considered 'collars of protection and service'.. that SYMBOL is merely a representation that just because these ladies are serving the general public (the Masters who may be in attendance) it is under the rule of the house that they are strictly HANDS OFF. If a Master wants to play with one of these ladies, he must approach the Maestro and negotiate a scene. Anyone who attends one of these functions knows what the rules are and respects them or they are quickly booted and won't be allowed back. In all the years this has been going on, I don't know of a single incident where someone has failed to respect that collar. Yes, it's for a night, yes, it's temporary, and yes, it has a very specific meaning and everyone who attends a Maestro function knows what it is. The collar of protection allows the submissive to perform service without any pressure. It doesn't mean they are stupid, new, unable to protect themselves or anything of the sort.. it means they are their for a purpose and some fun and people know they had better respect that or their own fun is over as they are escorted out by some burly bouncers.

Other than specific things like that, I've never heard of a collar of protection outside a chatroom, but for events and such, it's easy to see where one might want to serve without being gropped or have it assumed that she can be played with by just anyone who carry's around a flogger on their belt buckle.

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:50:14 AM   
puella


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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 10:51:18 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		I may be very wrong here Celeste, but I do not think the OP was talking about what you mentions, in regards to a charity event or something...

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 11:00:05 AM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

I may be very wrong here Celeste, but I do not think the OP was talking about what you mentions, in regards to a charity event or something...


Yeah.. I didn't actually understand the orignal question, so I went with the one where she asked what it means to me, so just related my own experience with it. For online, I wear a collar of protection every day.. two in fact. One is the little "X" up in the corner of chat windows and the other is labeled on the front of my computer as the off/on switch. Funny how well those work. ;)

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 11:04:04 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		hehe Celeste!


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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 4:22:17 PM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		No, you were not flamed.  You were  criticized.  Believe me, if I were to flame you, you would not have to re-read the post to figure it out.

By the by... where did I say that EVERY sub needed or should have a collar of protection?  From the cold-hearted responses I've seen here (in fact, they seem so knee-jerk that it does make me wonder), you'd think that it was being made mandatory for all subs.  It must be nice, on your safe, secure little pedestal, that you can look down on others who might seek the extra guidance/protection that you yourself don't need.

Anyway, I'm opting out of this thread, leaving it to all you egocentric, juvenile-minded folks to feel superior and brag together about how wonderful and great you are because you don't want a collar of protection <rolling eyes>

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
It is not unusual for me to read and re-read posts, others as well as my own.....and just so happens I re-read this one and realized that I was just flamed.  How ironic!!!!!
My Misconsecption?  Because I do not agree with you?
I think I was pretty straightforward and left no question that my post was "MY OPINION"  nothing else, hardly a misconception.
Tsk tsk tsk.....shame on you ladymorgan. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

This is hardly a true representation of the purpose or function of a collar of protection. Why don't you try *listening* to those who explain, rather than crowing your misconception from the rooftops?

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
But to slap a collar on their neck, misleading other people, and having them think its going to protect them from all evil or suddenly make them feel comfortable, 10 foot tall and bulletproof....is just (IMO) absurd!




< Message edited by LadyMorgynn -- 5/14/2006 4:34:34 PM >

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 4:39:57 PM   
CrappyDom


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Status: offline 		No, what it is that many of us are objecting to is people dangling "extra guidance/protection" in front of poor helpless submissives and only doing so if someone accepts their collar, whatever color they have this one spray painted.

Would you support a program granting old men "mentorship" over young girls first sexual experiences?  Sorry, but if anyone tries this sort of crap in any group or social setting I am in, I am going to call it what it is, a protection racket/scam by people who don't know any better at best and who know and do it anyway at worst.

I would work with community leaders to run out of town any group where submissives were not safe enough to go without a "collar of protection".  If people need information, I and many many many others provide it from the goodness of our heart with no expectation in return, we point them to the many excellent BDSM non fiction books available, we inform them of the many groups out there so they can meet others and expand their horizons, all without implying doom and gloom without the need for imaginary collars.

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 4:45:14 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Crappy, my future beloved husband,

Why do you toss me on my ass by, now and again, saying very pointedly appropriate things!  Promise to always keep me guessing after the wedding, okay snookums?

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 4:59:10 PM   
OhBeMyMind


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn


Anyway, I'm opting out of this thread,
quote:



Hey....no complaint from me, in fact, thats the best thing you have said in this thread....IN MY OPINION.
I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are yours....I do not feel I smited anyone for their opinion, I simply do not agree with it and find it absurd, and still.....save for Celeste (hope I spelled that right) and her detailed experience with PC's, no one has been able to answer the BIG question.  ~shrugs~
There is lots more that I would like to say in reference to your post to me....but yanno....you just aren't worth it. 
However, I sincerely hope you have a good evening, do be well and all that jazz, and I will still hold my head high regardless of your sad failed attempt to.....I dunno....hmmm...put me in my place. 

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RE: protection collar? - 5/14/2006 6:27:33 PM   
CrappyDom


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Status: offline 		Puella,

I told my mom about our intended marriage and she told me that I wasn't old enough nor mature enough to handle such a firebrand as yourself, so I guess the wedding is off.

Oh god I love parties, as I write this there is the sound of spankings wafting in from one of the rooms and I swear I hear the sound of a paddle mixed in. Oh well, have to go, I just picked up our basket of "protection collars" from Petsmart and have to put them by the door next to the bowl of condoms!

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RE: protection collar? - 5/16/2006 3:53:37 AM   
ShiftedJewel


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Status: offline 		Perhaps I need to clarify this just a little. Yes, I am the one that gave that girl a collar of protection. I did it to protect her from both herself and from others. She was determined to be a part of this lifestyle one way or the other and would do so even if it meant putting herself at risk, which she did on a few occasions. Yes, she had problems, serious ones, life threatening issues. Under my collar she had to come to me with any and all decisions she was faced with. We worked together for over two years, I pushed her to learn and she worked hard at it. She was a child in the lifestyle, she had to learn to walk, talk and think as an adult and truly needed someone she could trust to listen to her, explain things to her and be there for her when she fell. Today she is one of the most amazing people I know, she is my hero, giving her collar back so that she could move on was one of the hardest things I have ever done.

quote:

However, I do take exception to the idea that she was in any sort of collar at all.  This is just my opinion!!!  But this is my line of thinking.... a collar is something and represents something very concrete and profound to me.


This collar was extremely concrete and profound puella, if I had thought that I could give her everything she needed to continue growing and learning in the lifestyle I would have never given her up. I did what was best for her, not me. And I am still here for her, she comes to me to this day for advice, for a shoulder and for a sounding board. The bond between her and I is stronger then most share with their long term collared submissives. It's been a long time since I released her to another but she will always be MY girl and I will always be there for her. I'm sorry, but you don't get much more "concrete and profound" then that.
 
Jewel

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RE: protection collar? - 5/16/2006 4:17:40 AM   
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RE: protection collar? - 5/16/2006 4:19:00 AM   
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