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Icarys -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 1:36:27 PM)
I probably get posts pulled more than most of you combined and if I can say it aint THAT bad. I'm sure it isn't. There does seem to be some overlooking going on but as someone pointed out earlier..That's human nature I suppose.

LadyPact -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 1:43:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys I probably get posts pulled more than most of you combined and if I can say it aint THAT bad. I'm sure it isn't. There does seem to be some overlooking going on but as someone pointed out earlier..That's human nature I suppose. I'm thinking some of us are probably contenders. I'm thinking Jeffff and Domi are probably in the top ten. I'm going to disagree with LaT on the blanket shut downs. I get to be here a lot these days. Even I wouldn't have the time to go through, sort, pull what was necessary, and actually keep up with a thread that's got 400-500 responses on it, all while post after post is still pouring in. Just think of how impossible that task would be.

LaTigresse -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 1:47:57 PM)
You may be right LadyP. But if that is the case, and if their job is to moderate the forums and that is their intent, wouldn't it be cool if they said that when it is the case? I have seen it on occasion so I won't say they don't, but often times there is no real obvious reason or one given. Those are the times when, to ME, it seems like a cop out. But yeah, I do realize these are just volunteers..........we don't pay em so critiquing them is......kinda borderlineish.

Icarys -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 1:51:35 PM)
quote: I'm thinking Jeffff and Domi are probably in the top ten. Not that it's a contest or anything by me saying this but yeah I think they'd have me beat, maybe. :> quote: Just think of how impossible that task would be. There's a thought, for sure.

Icarys -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 1:53:39 PM)
quote: I have seen it on occasion so I won't say they don't, but often times there is no real obvious reason or one given. Most of them seem pretty approachable. You could ask them.

ModTwentyOne -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 1:56:27 PM)
I don't think anything I'm saying here is not something that Alpha has said when this subject has come up in the past. Lots of people THINK they know who we are, and lots of people are wrong. I'm harder on my friends than I am on anyone else, because I expect them to show me some respect and not make more work for me. The person who starts a thread does not own the thread, and doesn't get to make up rules as to how people post or what is on topic or not. They also don't get to police the thread, telling others to stay on topic, as that is in itself, off topic. We're human, and there's more than one of us, so it's natural that we may interpret things differently from each other. We're not everywhere, and we don't read all the posts and all the threads, so often we only know there is a problem if someone hits the report button. This accounts for quite a bit of the "but Suzy said it on the other thread and nothing happened to her" types of messages that land in my inbox on the other side. And lastly, unlike a schoolyard fight where all involved get suspension, different players in the same thread may get different handling. One person may have been warned about a specific behavior and therefore gets moderation when it occurs again; another may be on their first offense. Someone who just came off moderation for an offense may be put back on it for the same offense. There is no single rule that can apply to every situation as each situation is different even though to other users, the situation may look to be the same.

needlesandpins -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:10:41 PM)
thankks for that explanation. however, that still doesn't make things always fair if people are enjoying the way a thread is going and it's only the moderator who has a problem with it being off topic. it shouldn't matter about the content if all are ok within the thread and it's not breaking rules. as i said, if i've started a thread and it's running ok i may be peeved if it's pulled or posts are deleted because one person who is not actually taking part in the thread thinks there is a problem. it's like two people bickering walking down the street, then one gets a whack round the head from the policeman who promptly walks off without saying anything. topics of conversation in general rarely stay on topic for long if a group of people are involved and it runs its course. i don't see why online should be any different. you wouldn't walk into that conversation and tell people to shut up unless they speak only about the op. so on the occassions where it doesn't make sence and is questioned, can a thread be put back the way it was? thanks needles

Arpig -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:11:49 PM)
~FR~ I like the moderation the way it is nowadays. Since I've been on here, I've seen it extremely heavy handed to almost nonexistent. Personally I'm in favour of less, the more we are allowed to run free the better is my view (and this from big government socialist type!). I don't mind the swearing, the personal attacks, or any of that, but I did spend a long time exclusively down in P&R, so my view might just be a little jaded. I was [Awaiting Approval] once that I can remember (many years ago) and I don't recall having many posts that were anything but silliness pulled (and even most of those stay). I've found that if you write and ask why something of yours was pulled, and do it in a non-antagonistic way, you get a pretty reasonable answer. I did that a few times a long time ago, but haven't asked in years, I wonder sometimes, but usually I just figure oh well, there was something about it they didn't like. But I have noticed a greater emphasis of late on "anti-hijacking" measures. Thread drift/hijack...fine line and always a judgment call. Personally, I think that if the post is related to the topic in any way it should stand. Side tracks to start up an old fight from another thread (commonplace down in the basement) annoy me, even when I do it, I go back and think "Why did I post that?" I have noticed some posters getting away with things I thought would get them modspanked, but rather than assume its some sort of clique at work, I just figure the mod on duty has their reasons. Maybe its because it is their friend, maybe they agree with what was said, maybe they thought it was funny, maybe they just didn't notice it. Who knows, who cares? I don't like when they lock a thread at all. Either pull it or leave it is my opinion. Locking it and leaving it up is just annoying, it leaves arguments unresolved, points uncountered, and basically its just unfinished. i really wish they wouldn't do that. In the final analysis, if you don't like the moderation, don't bitch about it. Either go to Fet, or volunteer to do it yourself. Since I'm willing to do neither (the first option sucks, and the second...well nobody would ever be able to complain about being over-moderated. [:D]), I just accept it, knowing that the mods will change and the style and emphasis will change over time. I've outlasted several sets of mods, I lived through 11, so its not a big deal to me.

Muttling -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:14:45 PM)
I have no dog in this discussion, I would like to make 2 comments.... 1 - Moderation on this sight is WAY better than it used to be and I actually took a couple of years off because I got sick of it. 2 - I think that part of that improvement is the Moderator's response to this thread and a willingness to listen/ discuss the grievances. Disclaimer - I am not a mod/ admin nor do I have any clue as to who they are.

Arpig -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:16:53 PM)
quote: that still doesn't make things always fair Put up or shut up. If you think you can do better volunteer.

Icarys -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:20:01 PM)
I'd like to volunteer my services as moderator extraordinaire.. Don't mind if I do! I would be sweet, just and love you all equally. I swear...(Hides Thor Like Hammer Behind Back)

LaTigresse -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:25:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: I have seen it on occasion so I won't say they don't, but often times there is no real obvious reason or one given. Most of them seem pretty approachable. You could ask them. Absolutely and if it mattered enough for me to bother any given time, I would. Only once have I been annoyed and it still wasn't worth the bother. I just mentally flipped the bird at the computer screen, grumbled a bit and moved on. Plus, I figured I would get some lameass answer I wouldn't agree with and would get more annoyed at. Better to just moooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvve on.

ModTwentyOne -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:29:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins thankks for that explanation. however, that still doesn't make things always fair if people are enjoying the way a thread is going and it's only the moderator who has a problem with it being off topic. it shouldn't matter about the content if all are ok within the thread and it's not breaking rules. as i said, if i've started a thread and it's running ok i may be peeved if it's pulled or posts are deleted because one person who is not actually taking part in the thread thinks there is a problem. I can't really speak to this without asking for a specific thread as an example, and that's something you should take up with VideoAdminAlpha in private. However, I will say this: How would you know if people are enjoying the thread without knowing if there are any reports on it? We prefer "silent reports" versus someone posting, "you're being mean to me, I'm reporting this"? Just something to think about.

LadyPact -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:29:49 PM)
Funny. I never thought of you as a masochist, Icarys. I could never pull off the Mod gig here. I've done it for a small local groups when I was on committees and that's nothing like what goes on around here. Not to mention, I just don't have it in Me to be nice (shudder) to everyone. I can find the good in most people, but when I don't, it doesn't get hidden. If anything, they give the goblins more than enough rope to hang themselves. They probably have to give a little more leeway just because they aren't liked and they are trying not to have favoritism.

ModTwentyOne -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:30:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I just mentally flipped the bird at the computer screen We know, we saw that.

NuevaVida -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:36:17 PM)
Unfortunately life isn't fair, and what seems unfair to one person seems perfectly fair to another. It's all subjective. I personally get really annoyed when there are pages of hijacked bantering that I have to sift through in order to find the meat and potatoes of a discussion. For awhile there it was enough for me to lose interest in even coming to these boards. I've had posts pulled which I thought unfairly so at the time. Big deal, I got over it. I agree with those who have said the boards are moderated much better these days. I come here for the overall environment and experience and if there's too much bickering and hijacking, I lose my enjoyment here. As for people on moderation, all I can say is I'm rarely surprised when I see [awaiting approval]. But then I'm a fan of civility.

LaTigresse -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:41:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ModTwentyOne quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I just mentally flipped the bird at the computer screen We know, we saw that. [:D] Sooooooooooooooo, where can I put my totally splendidly cool, AND ON TOPIC, post??? Uh? Uh Uh Uh???? (and not THERE!)

Icarys -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:44:07 PM)
quote: Funny. I never thought of you as a masochist, Icarys. Oh I'm joking of course but it would never go the way of a masochist for me anyway. Hell I'd probably lose my status as soon as I got it the first time I said "You've been Mod-Spanked Bitches! Now Shush it."[:D]

needlesandpins -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 2:48:18 PM)
that's cool. i guess that is where an explanation is deemed part of the service, to say that a complaint has been made. in which case i've already said that something should be done about it. it doesn't mean that names have to be mentioned or anything, just mearly state that a complaint has been made........although maybe it should also be considered whether it's someone who is taking part in the thread or just someone who could actually just click back out of it and not bother reading. it's kinda like the people who complain about programs on tv, no-one makes them watch so why complain. i appreciate you taking time to answer! Arpig, i've had my own sites to moderate and i've been asked on others, hence why i said i wasn't bashing the mods and also said that it's much better here than elsewhere where i've been. i'm just one of those people who has to say something if i need answers. it doesn't mean i think i can do a better job and the fact that i don't want the job shouldn't mean that i can't put my thoughts forward.i won't shut up just because some may not like what i've got to say. from what i'm gathering from this thread, if others had shut up instead of making a fuss the site may still be over moderated. you don't have to volunteer to get answers or things changed. needles

popularDemand -> RE: moderation interpretation? (6/17/2011 5:02:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam The mods are human with all human frailties, virtues and prejudices. Nuff said. no it's not. Balance and good judgement should be displayed and practiced. pD

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