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Sorta sums it up.

Looks like a pro wrestler with a really bad haircut

Or Nancy Pelosi after trying to fix her makeup in a turbulent end to one of her cross-country flights.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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Sorta sums it up.

Looks like a pro wrestler with a really bad haircut

Or Nancy Pelosi after trying to fix her makeup in a turbulent end to one of her cross-country flights.

Tammy Faye Baker on crack!


Welcome back Will!

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Thank you for approaching this touchy subject apropriately, with the caution is requires.

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"Yes and no is the answer as far as I can see it."

Well really for there to be one answer there would have to be only one Jew. As I stated it is a human trait to tend to group a "group" together. Whether for good reason or not, Jews have hidden. Sometimes in plain sight. Changing names and so forth, and the Kol Nidre. Are you familiar with that ? I'll say it because others might not know. The Kol Nidre is a prayer that actually amounts to an update of religious law. It allows them to take false oaths. Oh this is so bad ? Not quite. It came out of France where at the time they were required to become Christian or be executed. What would you do ? Lie or die.

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I used to have a racist streak in me a mile wide. Over the years things have changed as I have become a bit more enlightened. I still cherish racial differences and racism is not the reason I deplore the "melting pot". I like separatism because it preserves our differences. I like hanging out with people from different backgrounds and from different cultures. Once we are all homogenized, the world will be alot less interesting.

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That's one things Jews actually do. Mating outside is considered carefully. I really don't have a problem with that because I totally agree with it and actually practice it to a limited extent. I mean I wanted to hook my sister up with a friend of mine just to get his DNA, no shit. The problem is that they denounce the practice. Other than that, I think they are doing the right thing.

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"This is where anti-Semitism diverges with other forms of racism. Blacks, Muslims etc. can be regarded as stupid, uneducated, violent, barbaric even. The Jew is hated because he is sometimes seen as being better, educated, wealthy/successful."

That is actually a racist stement. Hopefully people don't take it wrong. My opinion on other races in compare ? First of all Arabs are Semites. Jews seem to consider themselves the only Semites just like US citizens consider themselves to be the only Americans. Pot, kettle, so what. We are all a bit clanish. And from what I understand, when the "settlers" came to conquer this land, they forced the natives to learn their language. Conversely, when they brought the Black slaves from Africa, for a time is was illegal to teach them to read or write. Perhaps they learned something ? Something that was useful in their quest for power ?

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"Yeah I have heard of that book. "

Not just a book, a website now, unless they have "disappeared". I haven't been there in years, but I know what they say. They are not totally wrong, but I doubt they are totally right. Regardless, if you publicize such views in Germany, you are likely to go to prison. Jews themselves should fight to repeal that legislation, because really I think they could hold their own in an open debate. The legislation indicates fear, which is sometimes borne by guilt. What's more it is true evidence of their influence on politics across the planet. Bad move. Don't forget AIPAC and HR4230. As far as I am concerned they can do whatever they want, but not in MY COUNTRY. See how that works ? That could be the basis for alot of their problems over the last century or so.

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Also note that FDR refused mass immigration during WW2. Some Jews came, but some of the people you might call deniers assert that it was a ploy to get the peoples' sympathy. To exaserbate the problem so to garner popular support. That is only theory though. But then I also heard that the Jews were not only allowed to leave before the holocaust, but they were actually encouraged to do so. If all the countries in the world refused them for whatever reason, it's not a theory anymore.

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"There is enough truth in most extremist movements to make them appeal to popular sensibility."

To strike the chords...... those are not my words, they are from the Protocols. Since I just mentioned that, I find is hard to believe that anyone else wrote that document, forgery or not.

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"They also wanted a wealthy industrious West Germany to be a big fuck you to the Soviet East. "

With a bunch of our money no less. Was there a conspiracy ? How did all these people just happen to further one anothers' goals ? See how it all worked out ? And really, I remember something about a Russian leader recently saying something like communism doesn't work. They certainly tried it. And look at Germany now. First of all if you can look at the big picture without prejudice it is clear that Hitler did alot for that country. He mobilized the workforce damnear without money, and almost conquered a few countries. It happened pretty darn quick too.

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"Indeed people fuck up, people are dishonest, people are greedy. Governments are made of people. "

I am considering that statement as a sig line. The most important thing, no matter what anyone does, is not to hate. It clouds one's judgement. Just like the pogroms, one Jew was an asshole, and they get rid of them all. Along with their possible future contributions to that society. That is not logical. If they really stole all that much, there are legal ways to stop it, especially without a constitution comparable to that of the US.

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This world is pretty fucked up. I'm cooking and it is time for the next step. I'll be around. Again, thank you for engaging this subject without the usual slurs and cliche type response. It's refreshing actually.

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I disagree, I dfon't think we are responsible for our own perceptions. We can't knowingly shape he we wish to see the world. Perception is a complex mix of education, social background, upbringing etc. We can make an effort to educate and better ourselves but that is guaranteed to change our perceptions. I agree though that there is no final authority other than empirical evidence. And yet even when presented with it, many conspiricists simply reject it. This is one reason why I think it is unhealthy. One example would be Obama's birth cert, the veracity of which is still denied by many.

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"Do you think the Protocols was written by Jewish authors, and if so were they writing an authentic document or a deliberate forgery for the Russian secret service? "

You have said alot, and I do apreciate it. But this becomes of the utmost import if we are to communicate. Have you read the document stem to stern ? I have several times. I know what rascality means. I have examined it quite thoroughly. Have you read it ? If so we might actually be able to discuss it without the interference of the ninnies around here. Don't ask how.

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Now, the first thing that comes to my mind now is borne by my quite different background. I have not learned to suspect everything, I was born suspecting everything and just grew bigger. The Protocols engaged me in a way no other text had. Ever. There is no way some knuckle dragging hillbilly down in the south wrote this, in a manner of speaking, really it is actually possible, but ......

But maybe YOU, rather than the normal rabble can actually discuss the content. All they do is claim it's a forgery. I say who the fuck cares ? Someone wrote it. Who was that ? Whoever wrote it was extremely intelligent. I would "suspect" that of a Jew because of their ways, their lust for knowledge. But really it could be someone else. If it is someone else, who ? If it is a forgery, who did it ?

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Jews have a world view kinda built in, Diaspora can do that. But whoever wrote the Protocols had that same vuew, otherwise they would not have been able to compose the document. As such, it was either Jews or someone of the same mindset. Remember there was more than one in hisstory who sought to conquer the world.

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Ironically, Hitler was not among them. He envisioned a unified Europe under his control. Many Americans think he would have come goosestepping into Philadelphia, but that simply is not true. Hitler saw Europe as the venue for his people. The countries he attacked were the targets. Not the US, the world or anything else. About a half a continent would've been fine for him. The US got into the war because of ties with England, which in history is uncanny because we supposedly broke away from them by force. And I still believf that England let the settlers etc. win the war of independence.

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I disagree, I dfon't think we are responsible for our own perceptions. We can't knowingly shape he we wish to see the world. Perception is a complex mix of education, social background, upbringing etc. We can make an effort to educate and better ourselves but that is guaranteed to change our perceptions. I agree though that there is no final authority other than empirical evidence. And yet even when presented with it, many conspiricists simply reject it. This is one reason why I think it is unhealthy. One example would be Obama's birth cert, the veracity of which is still denied by many.

I find this first line disturbing, and the repeated characterization of conspiracy theory as somehow "dangerous" does indeed smack of censorship.

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Do outside forces influence perception? Sure, absolutely, the very reason there should be no monopoly on opinion, arguing these points is the process of democracy itself.

However anybody feels abut it, people with similar interests align themselves in order to increase their political pull, it's called a consensus, and a specific consensus may have a name, we call them "special interest groups" etc., and there's myriad citizens groups and caucuses, NGO's, lobbies, etc., etc., each with it own particular agenda, and each may be aligned or opposed to other such groups depending on convergence/divergence of their goals - this is just the way it works, it'll happen spontaneously with a group of schoolchildren, there are even studies that suggest population as a determinant, i.e., a cohesive group is usually sized at about 20 people per leader, the group gets larger than that, another leader will emerge, factions formed, there may be rivalry and the group may split into Two groups - the Branch Davidians were a splinter sect of the Davidians, etc., there is a whole story there about how that happened.

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When a group like that engages in deception, particularly when that deception appears contrary to the public interest (the broadest consensus), then we may call it a conspiracy, and ultimately the deciding factor in whether it's a conspiracy or a special interest group, hinges largely on to what degree they engage in deception and why.

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the only danger lies in the perception that the Zionist conspiracy is a conspiracy, an anti-semetic conspiracy is not,  they're all conspiracies, take a number, the Zionists are going to have to wait in line like everybody else, whattaya think you're special?

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I don't have a dog in that fight, I think they're all a bunch of silly bastards, but its the same thing with "The Homosexual Agenda" - is there a homosexual agenda? If even two homosexuals engage in deception against the public interest, that's a conspiracy, but we know for a fact there's an Anti-Gay agenda, they don't even try to hide it, and they routinely engage in disinformation and deceit, again, take a number - the only way to sort it out is to stop taking sides and look at the facts, be responsible for your own perceptions, it's your job as a citizen of a democratic society, it's only "dangerous" if you don't do that, take responsibility for your own perceptions.

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You consider your perceptions "responsible" presumably, mine "irresponsible" - but you engage in deception to do it - I mentioned a US court of law w/regard to cocaine smuggling, but the link you mentioned avoid mentioning that, focusing instead on media coverage, which is basically narrative based (presumably) on primary sources, not primary sources themselves.

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"Spin" is a form of deception, and I take great exception to your opinion that Jones is somehow dangerous while Fox is harmless - Fox has a great deal more influence than Jones will ever have, and moreover, they really push the line in terms of inciting violence, and the market has responded to that - they have a patina of a legitimate news organization and establishment authority, so when they lie, it sounds like official, whereas Jones sounds like an exemplar of the tinfoil hat crowd, that's basically the premise of this thread.

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So I finally find someone who will at least discuss that "forgery". Who knows who wrote it, but neither on of us ever said that everything in it was the truth, or that everything in it was a lie. Is everything on Fox news a lie ? Certainly not. They would be out of business of course. But what about other "sources" ? Radio talk show hosts (wait, that's what Jones is).

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One rudimentary difference is that a supposedly reputable source is reporting facts, and others are offering their opinion. Does Fox news have an opinion ? No matter what, if you listen to Alex Jones and don't know it's opinion I don't know what to tellya. Like Rush Limbaugh. One fact can expand into a half hour show.

Fox news has omitted things on purpose. Any agency like that has to fit what they want to say into a time slot, as such will of course choose carefully what to omit. This is newsworthy and that is not. Newsworthy ? How about "in our best interest to publicize" ? Sounds more like it to me.

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AJ does not talk about protocols.