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RE: Alcoholism - 7/6/2011 9:22:35 AM

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sounding good and positive yummee.

About the sleep:

Just a little thing that worked for me, was to eat, really late at night. Even in bed.
(Istill do, but tell no-one)
For me it seemed to bring on a heavy lethergy and allowed relaxation.
A calming radio station very quiet in the background helped too.

Also, the groups; I attended a lot.
I was lucky in the sence that at the time I lived in an area of London reknowned for its drunks, so a fair few 'rooms' were dotted around.
All had their own flavour and approach. All were AA.
I was welcome in them all.

My journey may have started from a diferent place to B's, I was perhaps a way further down 'the line', but I used to pick up on, and listen to the parts that interested me, drop the rest, and ignore the bullshit.

I did use rehab in the end, however, that's just me. I saw many people sort themselves out through the Rooms and various Groups.
Good luck to you both.

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RE: Alcoholism - 7/6/2011 12:32:49 PM

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"He also still has be be on-hand and close at quitting time."

Translation: He also still has me be on-hand, close at quitting time."

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RE: Alcoholism - 7/6/2011 8:15:44 PM

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Actually it seems to be the opposite of that: the higher your tolerance is the less likely you may have the predisposition towards becoming an alcoholic... or so one study suggests:
http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/health/medical/2010-10-20-Alcoholism20_ST_N.htm
Because it is never how much you drink that determines whether you are an alcoholic or not... but what it does to you.

The more we know, the more we find we don't know... but as for families in which alcoholism seems to come out of the blue: you have to remember that alcoholics try to drink in secret and families often try to keep the secret and so you might never really know if it was in the family or not.

My experience is otherwise. People with low tolerance get sick before they get drunk and thus don't become alcoholics. There isn't any reward for drinking if you start throwing up before you get a buzz.

But you're absolutely right about not knowing if it's in the family. If no one talks about Cousin Raymond the drunk, and you don't know about him, you will assume there isn't any alcoholism in the family. Which would be exactly opposite of the truth.

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RE: Alcoholism - 7/7/2011 3:37:50 AM

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My experience is otherwise. People with low tolerance get sick before they get drunk and thus don't become alcoholics. There isn't any reward for drinking if you start throwing up before you get a buzz.

But you're absolutely right about not knowing if it's in the family. If no one talks about Cousin Raymond the drunk, and you don't know about him, you will assume there isn't any alcoholism in the family. Which would be exactly opposite of the truth.

I would think so too, but a tolerance starts to build up like with everything, if I detox my system it also means no coffee and no booze for 30 days, sometimes I do just in between as my coffee consumption went through the roof again and my stomach is not happy, the first cup of espresso after 30 days of zero caffeine and only herbal teas just gives me such a buzz, I'm literally wired, and the same with wine, I have to be so careful that I only take a few sips or I'll fall asleep over dinner.

I would assume that people do keep alcoholism or any addiction problems in the family very hidden, people still see it as shameful behaviour. The ex of mine with the drinking problem didn't know that his grandfather had drunk himself to death or that his dad was a recovering alcoholic (unfortunately too late as the father died of liver cirrhosis about a year or two ago, been dry for years and never had any symptoms), his great grandfather was in the family lore the "man about town" who lived a bit of a merry life, gambling, traveling, drinking, as guys of his generation did... Only when said guy really had an utter and complete bender, tried to kill me with a custom made 1970's Gibson (I got my head out of the way and the wall had a massive hole in it, guitar was beyond repair) and completely freaked out, I called his mom and said "Listen, your son has a massive drinking problem, I can't handle it, can you help?" She finally mentioned that it seems to run in the family, her grandfather, his dad, it wasn't something they ever spoke about but explained it away, with quaint phrases like "overly refreshed" or "had a tendency to be a bit tired and emotional" as alcoholism didn't happen in their circles....

I'm actually glad that it is recognized as a disease and that it is less shameful and swept under the carpet, because it gives people suffering from it a better chance to seek help and get it under control. Still, it's not something you'd talk about at a family reunion "Oh and remember cousin Frank and his drinking problem, or auntie Frieda who was popping prescription pills like smarties..."

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RE: Alcoholism - 7/13/2011 9:50:17 AM

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Can you provide the link for this?

I can see if I can track it down and translate it, but I believe you will find an English version on PubMed.

Wasn't very relevant to me at the time, so I didn't make a note of it, but obviously it's important to people in that situation.

Let me know via PM if you don't find it; I only revisited the thread by chance.

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RE: Alcoholism - 7/13/2011 10:35:26 AM

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That would indicate that addiction is the disease not the "drug" of choice, whether it be alcohol or gambling.

Not strictly true. Alcohol and barbiturates are special cases (note the plural). Also, there are some differences from individual to individual in terms of what will get them addicted. And what will get them cleaned up. For me, nicotine is the only drug with addictive properties (and I've had adequate exposure to all the other classes of addictive drugs I know of to say that with substantial certainty).

The most common thing- except for alcoholism- seems to be situational addiction, meaning that the addiction exists as a function of specific circumstances. That cannot be addressed by just dealing with the- by now well known- final common pathway set of addiction and rewards. This is a confounding factor in studies that is rarely well addressed. It is the reason why modafinil (Provigil, etc.) was originally prescribed very readily, but is now attracting attention, as it facilitates function in situations where it cannot be discontinued without the situation collapsing to a non-functional state, causing a real and arguably reasonable aversion to discontinuation on par with abstinence from conventionally addictive drugs.

It will be interesting to see if the inherent lessons are learned some day.

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