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PeonForHer -> RE: Do you consider yourself a Bitch? (8/21/2011 7:12:03 PM)
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
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As VC said earlier, it either means something quite impressive, or something bad, or - in general - nothing coherent at all. i asked what it meant to you, not her. but fuck it, ok vc still thinks for you, fine.
so it doesn't mean a fucking thing to you. well in that case how the fuck can you say somebody is or isn't a bitch, or is too bitchy or not bitchy enough? your just blowing smoke out your ass, pretty much what i expected from you these days, you've gone from an interesting guy to a passive-aggressive little bitch.
you should stop hanging around with david and kevin, they're rubbing off on you.
OK, in all seriousness, finally:
When you say 'passive-aggressive little bitch' there, you mean something bad by 'bitch', presumably? You see, it's kind of confusing, Hannah. And do try to take on board what I said earlier - the more you swear at me, the more you insult me, the more I can't believe you. You kill your authenticity in my eyes, however it appears to others. Seriously, please grasp that.
In the past, I've only occasionally heard of any positive meaning for 'bitch'. Clearly, many women posting here go with that meaning. Fine - I can grasp it, and will go with it myself, as I have been, in later posts here.
Most males I've come across have an awareness of assertiveness, versus aggression, to a degree of nuance that most women I've known wouldn't see. Honestly, only the small ones, the ones without much of either, will talk much about it. I've taught some very, very tough women in my career - as a lecturer in political science, and for a couple of years to postgrads in gender studies. But these weren't shouters or gobshites. They really were tough, tough women. They gave *exactly the same* vibe when talking to me as the vibe that tough men have given me. No difference - none whatsoever. They weren't psychos - or if they were, they had that psycho quality under control. Amongst humans, I really don't believe that the crucial things about toughness are different between the sexes.
There's a point, I think, where people just transcend what they've learned, and almost forget about it. *This* is what I mean. Now - again, being serious - it'd be a surprise to me if women, as a whole, had reached that same point re 'toughness' (shorthand for the positive of aggressive and assertiveness) as men. They've not had the history behind it. You can take that from me, or you can take it from any beginner's book on feminism - your choice.
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