HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped? (9/16/2011 1:09:58 PM)
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Sheesh! Project much there OP? quote:
I suspect it's at least safe to say that virtually no woman would ever be more attracted to a man for learning that he was, or had once been, another man's bitch. I have to disagree. It would depend entirely on how they deal with it. I am terribly attracted <serious understatement> to Hanners, who has been raped three times. Part of that attraction is based on the attitude she with which she regards those events. I suspect that if I were into men, I would be rather attracted to a man who was strong enough to overcome what is a very traumatic ordeal and not let it run his life. quote:
And it seems reasonable to assume that a woman who actively craves dominance in a man would, if anything, be more inclined than women in general to feel an instinctive revulsion for a man who had been forced into submission himself--and not just submission, but submission of the most degrading kind. Being raped has nothing whatsoever to do with submission. It is about being overpowered or being sufficiently threatened <which is a form of being overpowered, just not physically so>. You clearly have little or no actual understanding of what either rape or submission is. Again it would depend on how he handled it. There would be pity, compassion, and sympathy for him but no revulsion. I find the idea of a person soiling them self revolting, but if the person did it because they had dysentery I wouldn't find the person revolting. It's the same thing. You blame the victim for the rape, and for some reason you assume that submissive women are equally biased and wrong-headed in their thinking. quote:
Is my intuition right? No, not even slightly, in fact it is, in my opinion completely and totally wrong. It is a case of you assuming your own personal prejudices apply to other people. This is usually a mistake. quote:
When the men who've been the victim of this atrocity conceal their shame from you, are they right to do so? The shame is not on the victim. There is no shame in being raped. The shame is in the raping and on the rapist. If they choose not to discuss or reveal it, that is their choice, not mine. Are they right? I don't think so really, see the next response for the reason why. quote:
Would any part of you think less of them if you knew? No. Not in the least, no more than if they had been hit by a drunk driver when crossing the road. I might think less of them if they let the fact that they were a victim of rape become the defining event in their life. quote:
I'm more interested in the reptile beneath. My reptile worries more about strength of character and wisdom in the face of danger than it worries about empty-headed machismo-based ideas that judge people based on the occurrence of events in their lives over which they have no control. I have a question for you. Would you think less of a woman who had been raped?
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