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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 8:28:16 PM   
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You cunts are hilarious


Glad you find it funny because that is about the closest you are going to come to a cunt.





You I will deal with tomorrow and on the other side! lol I should have known better to look at the thread for a short break. I'm in the middle of a chapter of foreign foods and cannot take the time to kick your ass! Till tomorrow you brat!


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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 8:58:27 PM   
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Why did you word this in such an inflammatory way? There are good things to be said about life fifty years ago, the thing is, feminism happened for a reason. Women were being treated, and still are, as being less than a man. As though their needs, wants, desires, contributions, were trivial and secondary. There is something good to be said for having a well defined role and being able to stick with that in a relationship, there is nothing good about having one partner in that relationship be marginalized simply for their sex. There is nothing that should be given to either sex simply because they are a man or a woman. That's BS. Be a person deserving of those acts and you will find someone who wants to give them to you.

What woman has rejected you lately? It does seem as though you are reacting emotionally from having hurt feelings. Not a good place to post from...


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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 9:10:59 PM   
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I heard please adopt me mommy. (because I don't want to be responsible for myself.)
  So basically, that's your opinion of female slaves then, is it?


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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 12:20:12 AM   
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 12:41:41 AM   
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So basically, that's your opinion of female slaves then, is it?

I don't think it's a category thing.  More an individual thing.

Just about every supposed category has users and abusers amongst the group.  Haven't you ever heard the proclamations?

He/She isn't really Dominant.  They are just hiding within the lifestyle to use people.

She isn't really a Domme.  She is just using men for money,

He isn't really a sadist.  He just uses the lifestyle as a cover for being abusive.

That person isn't submissive.  They just want free room and board.

Heck, we've had a few threads from folks who are TV, looking for someone to 'serve' but only willing to do so if they get their surgeries paid for.

In all fairness, some of this exists in every potential role/gender combination out there.  Yet another reason to support the idea of getting to know somebody *before* bringing them into your household.


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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 1:20:55 AM   
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FAAAAAAIIIIIIILL!!


Eh? What have I failed at? Or was that addressed to the OP?



The OP and also the forum replyfail system. It wasn't even a fast reply. FAIL!

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 1:50:18 AM   
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On the other hand, I believe the concept that, in general, men and women are not only equal, but possess the same capabilities is very flawed and harmful to both genders. I believe men are naturally wired to be leaders of the household. Anecdotally, I can say that I have observed that when intelligent, responsible men take a leadership role in the household (with or without children), that household (marriage/family has been happy, prosperous and successful). When that does not occur, the household falls apart. (Even, when the woman is extremely intelligent and responsible)




I would have to disagree with this.

Anecdotally, I can say that I have observed when intelligent, responsible people make the decision as to who will lead the household, then the relationship and family will be happy and successful. I have seen very successful male-led households and very successful female-led households. I have also seen totally fucked-up households led by both genders.

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 3:07:04 AM   
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I heard please adopt me mommy. (because I don't want to be responsible for myself.)
  So basically, that's your opinion of female slaves then, is it?



Do not put words in my mouth.

I was speaking about one particular person, and yes, he's made it quite clear he wants a mommy domme.

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 3:13:45 AM   
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Anecdotally, I can say that I have observed when intelligent, responsible people make the decision as to who will lead the household, then the relationship and family will be happy and successful. I have seen very successful male-led households and very successful female-led households. I have also seen totally fucked-up households led by both genders.

It's not about whether you have a dick or not, it's about who is best for the job.


i agree with this.
i don't believe men are, by default, more suited to leading a household. i don't believe many people at all are effectively suited for leadership roles in any capacity, but saying that men are more suited, by default, just by virtue of being "men" and nebulous, indefinable "wiring" -- that ignores a lot of other variables that DO matter.

these ideals about men as leaders generally stem from a collection of misconceptions, misinformation, and stereotypes about genders and gender differences. MasterJaguar will probably say something about PMS and emotional issues that affect female leadership (which, if you've ever experienced good female leadership, you know that that is not true), and a variety of other stereotypical colloquialisms to justify this belief, even though it makes no sense in reality.


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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 3:24:12 AM   
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I don't find it fun when people start using the word 'cunt'. I find it just damned ugly.


Yeah I agree with that. I meant poking trolls.


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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 5:12:29 AM   
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On the other hand, I believe the concept that, in general, men and women are not only equal, but possess the same capabilities is very flawed and harmful to both genders.


I agree that it's utter fucking nonsense to suggest that men and women possess the same capabilities. Women excel over men in a whole range of capabilities.

But I'd also say that it's utter fucking nonsense to say that men and women should not be equal in terms of opportunity or worth.




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I believe men are naturally wired to be leaders of the household. Anecdotally, I can say that I have observed that when intelligent, responsible men take a leadership role in the household (with or without children), that household (marriage/family has been happy, prosperous and successful). When that does not occur, the household falls apart. (Even, when the woman is extremely intelligent and responsible)


I believe that the notion that men are "naturally wired to be leaders of the household" is a stupid nonsense, left over from a time when physical strength was the primary factor in determining leadership.




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I would have to disagree with this.

Anecdotally, I can say that I have observed when intelligent, responsible people make the decision as to who will lead the household, then the relationship and family will be happy and successful. I have seen very successful male-led households and very successful female-led households. I have also seen totally fucked-up households led by both genders.

It's not about whether you have a dick or not, it's about who is best for the job.


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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 6:04:42 AM   
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opening suggestion to a person in extreme difficulty is Liffey is calling or go



you're right, kevvie.. I was out of line, and I apologize for that.



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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 7:45:21 AM   
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On the other hand, I believe the concept that, in general, men and women are not only equal, but possess the same capabilities is very flawed and harmful to both genders. I believe men are naturally wired to be leaders of the household. Anecdotally, I can say that I have observed that when intelligent, responsible men take a leadership role in the household (with or without children), that household (marriage/family has been happy, prosperous and successful). When that does not occur, the household falls apart. (Even, when the woman is extremely intelligent and responsible)




I would have to disagree with this.

Anecdotally, I can say that I have observed when intelligent, responsible people make the decision as to who will lead the household, then the relationship and family will be happy and successful. I have seen very successful male-led households and very successful female-led households. I have also seen totally fucked-up households led by both genders.

It's not about whether you have a dick or not, it's about who is best for the job.

I totally agree with myotherself's, reply. ^^^^

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 8:19:06 AM   
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 3:11:47 PM   
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BDSM is about choice and it was choice for women that feminists fought for. I don't think people are really aware of the difference between those women who've absorbed that feminist world-view but choose to be submissive, and those women who are submissive as a result of never taking on that feminist world-view in the first place.


I am the first sub type. I adore cooking and cleaning for him but think it's ludicrous that this role be expected of me because of my gender. I so appreciate having the choice.

I'm also working full time at an external job from home. Our incomes are about equal.

I agree with the "cunts" who say the OP has sour grapes because he didn't get laid. My guy inspires me to ride his dick til HE says stop, and treats me with courtesy and respect (when he's not slapping me around :)

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 3:37:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hell if you can find someone willing to keep you, terrific. You must be one hot stud if you can get one to support you. Most people I know clean and cook for themselves, even after a day of work. I do and it does not seem like that much of a hardship, but I only have a 4 bedroom, 2200 sq ft home, its fairly simple to run. Maybe you are looking for a rich woman? Is there such a thing as www.sugarmommas.com?
I do have one question.
What kind of job would I have to get to pay me $5000 per week?

As for the OP...
Put me in the camp of slaveluci and aileen when I say I don't find it strange to be a housewife. I think if that is what you want and if you can find a mate who wants it too, great! But, like many of the other posters here I do like it that there is a choice to be, or not to be "old fashioned". At my age I did see the other side and I can tell you my mom hated it. At her first opportunity and with women becoming more free to find jobs, she took it. She was a housewife because that was the role expected from her. She tolerated it with the use of valium. My dad tolerated it with the use of bourbon and beer.
We have a choice now to pick the path that works for us.

If you (OP) cannot find a woman who suits your ideal lifestyle, liberation is not to blame. That only brought on options. People still have to entice others to share their dream.



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She wants it and is making $3 - $5000 per week at least before tax
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 5:40:52 PM   
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Put me in the camp of slaveluci and aileen when I say I don't find it strange to be a housewife.


Whoa there Bucko. I don't quite want to be just a housewife. Did that for 11 years.
What I was pointing out was there is nothing wrong with having a career AND also being able to do the "traditional wifely duties" such as cooking and cleaning for him.
I don't want to be a housewife. I want to have a successful business and be able to take care of all of his needs.
The last thing I want is to be supported by anyone else.
There is the possibility to be both. That's what I want.

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 7:09:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		my sister consideres herself a working housewife.  She is a bus driver (as is he), works the same hours, makes more money (longevity), and comes  home to cook and clean.  He hires someone to do the yard.
my point was that for many the term of caring for the hearth and home is housewife.  Some of them do work outside the home.
As I have no mate, there is no "wife" in my idiom.  I am simply a slave to my lifestyle

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/26/2011 8:13:36 PM   
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/27/2011 9:02:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it´s alright for my woman to be even a "superfeminist", as long as those thoughts and beliefs are brought into the relationship whatsoever. Outside everything concerning/affecting the relationship, she can be all the feminist she wants.
In that thought it´s possible for her to have a business career of her own, bringing money into the relationship, as well as I´m also bringing my money to the relationship. 50-50 in household is totally out of the question as an agreement, the agremment must be totally traditional style with woman assigned to householdwork.
THEN the practical reality can bet that way that it becomes 50-50 in household to make the overall relationship-boat go forward.
If the dishes wasn´t done with her away on eveningclass or whatever, I´m traditionally FREE TO CHOOSE wether I do the dishes alone or not, she cannot ever nag me about it, since she initially agreed to the traditional lifestyle and household-chores are HERS alone.
This far in relationships I haven´t had a single issue concerning this situation(dishes undone when she comes home or other householdthings). ALSO I have had valid excuse everytime dihes haven´t been done, and the "calm" in the relationship has been kept.

MY big question(completely outside the BDSM-frame of the relationship) is if I was to be content with a carrer woman away from home more than 50% of the total time awake in life and I would start wondering WHY she wanted a relationship at all in the first place.
So I would probably NOT choose a career woman for BDSM-relationship/any relationship at all. The same with fictious opportunity to have a woman politican, woman celebrity, as they´re not likely to spend too much time in the home with ME, creating a mutual sense of "US" in the relationship. I´d probably also have to be into politics, being a celebrity myself, to be able to handle extended times apart, not able to see each other...
So my having relationship with "superfeminist" is thus possible, as long as she doesn´t bring that ideology/thoughts or beliefs into anything concerning the BDSM-relationship...

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