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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 1:00:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I disagree. I see the wording as entirely appropriate, specifically because it is a lighthearted way of passing on the message using terminology that is current in the age group at which the message is aimed.

Calling them breasts doesn't in any way make the message more relevant or better, equally calling them bumps , humps, ta-tas, boobies, hooters, fun bags <I hate that one>, or any other slang term doesn't diminish the message either. Quite the opposite, it reinforces the message by bringing the discussion down to the level where tits are normally discussed. I would be very surprised if you said "breasts" 1/100th as often as you say "tits".

By using a current slang term, the issue is related to the daily experience of the people you are talking to. "Breast cancer" is sort of a nebulous concept, but reminding the kids that it is those cute little boobs that everybody everybody likes to play with that are being talked about brings the message home. As well the humour also makes the message memorable, seeing a girl with those words on her shirt will stick in your mind more than seeing a girl with the words "Breast self-exams are the best form of early detection of breast cancer" will.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 1:10:02 PM   
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“While Komen for the Cure tends to stick with more mainstream language about breasts, we do understand that young people talk differently than adults,” said Andrea Rader, the director of marketing communications of Susan G. Komen for the Cure, a network of breast cancer survivors and activists based in Dallas. “We generally support efforts to educate and engage young people, especially young women, about this disease.”
 
Personally I didn't see anything wrong with it, they're teenagers in high school not elementary kids.  I'd rather see that than half the stuff I see on a daily basis which WILL cause the raging hardons talked about earlier.  I don't see these t-shirts being an invitation for groping and hormones running rampant.  Just my opinion.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 1:21:42 PM   
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I have a dear friend who has been undergoing cancer treatments for a few years...

her approach is POSITIVITY, HUMOUR, and PRAYER.

I emailed her about this slogan.. her response?


(and I quote)

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! PRICLESS (sic)!! Good for those girls!!"

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 1:55:43 PM   
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I disagree. I see the wording as entirely appropriate, specifically because it is a lighthearted way of passing on the message using terminology that is current in the age group at which the message is aimed.

Calling them breasts doesn't in any way make the message more relevant or better, equally calling them bumps , humps, ta-tas, boobies, hooters, fun bags <I hate that one>, or any other slang term doesn't diminish the message either. Quite the opposite, it reinforces the message by bringing the discussion down to the level where tits are normally discussed. I would be very surprised if you said "breasts" 1/100th as often as you say "tits".

By using a current slang term, the issue is related to the daily experience of the people you are talking to. "Breast cancer" is sort of a nebulous concept, but reminding the kids that it is those cute little boobs that everybody everybody likes to play with that are being talked about brings the message home. As well the humour also makes the message memorable, seeing a girl with those words on her shirt will stick in your mind more than seeing a girl with the words "Breast self-exams are the best form of early detection of breast cancer" will.


Then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Yes, the daily experience of teenagers is different than that of other segments of society (but not really all that different from teenagers in generations past) but a high school football game includes people from other elements of society as well. That is the point I am focusing on. They may be tits when you're gabbing with your friends or even here on CM but when you are in a public venue they are breasts. It is a matter of civility and propriety. Maybe I'm just becoming old fashioned as I grow older, but that is how I see it.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 3:04:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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I have a dear friend who has been undergoing cancer treatments for a few years...

her approach is POSITIVITY, HUMOUR, and PRAYER.

I emailed her about this slogan.. her response?


(and I quote)

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! PRICLESS (sic)!! Good for those girls!!"



btw.. the friend I mentioned above is in her late 50s

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 3:24:16 PM   
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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 3:35:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

It isn't age <or gender> that makes one an old biddy. It's an attitude, an outlook, a joyless approach to life.



I agree. and if I were to EVER findmyself going thru what she is, I hope like hell I can face it with the grace, strength, and HUMOUR that she is.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 3:49:09 PM   
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Yeah, no guy will say in that locker room... "Damn I'd feel for Julie's lumps."



I'm well aware that they would - but my point was that these are the same guys who make lewd comments about the cheerleaders in their normal attire ... but that doesn't mean that they are groping them at random - so what is the difference?  While I haven't been to a high school sporting event in years, the last time I was, the cheerleaders wore skirts that barely covered their butts, and shirts that showed their mid-riff that were skin tight.  So what makes a shirt with a risque slogan worse than being 1/2 dressed?



I don't know, a basic cheerleader uniform where I went to school wasn't as gracious with showing the skin as the MTV movies depict. 

Regardless, I would see a message that asks to "feel them" as worse than the uniform.  Unless you're one of those people that think girls wearing miniskirts are just asking for it. 


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 3:51:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		But can't we disagree on what's appropriate/inappropriate without one side being socially inept/nasty hos and the other side being prudes/old biddies? I know I happen to NOT be a prude, (imo) but I do make choices on what is socially acceptable for MY family. Everyone else must do the same.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 3:53:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

But can't we disagree on what's appropriate/inappropriate without one side being socially inept/nasty hos and the other side being prudes/old biddies? I know I happen to NOT be a prude, (imo) but I do make choices on what is socially acceptable for MY family. Everyone else must do the same.



no argument :)

*smoooches*

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 4:15:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

But can't we disagree on what's appropriate/inappropriate without one side being socially inept/nasty hos and the other side being prudes/old biddies? I know I happen to NOT be a prude, (imo) but I do make choices on what is socially acceptable for MY family. Everyone else must do the same.
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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 6:22:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read another article about the whole incident today, and they mentioned some other group that used the phrase "Save Second Base" as their slogan. I thought that was hilarious.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 6:28:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		My 18 year old niece thinks its inappropriate for a school function and she said, that there is no way in hell her school would allow her to wear such a shirt to represent the school as a cheerleader.  I have to say she is far from conservative, however, she seems to understand the responsibility the school has with regard to what it let's represent it and what they sanction and what they don't.  

Aunt Angel, its about knowing there is a time and PLACE for everything.   

I don't think anyone on this site could be seen as anything but leaning towards if not all the way in to concepts that don't adhere to the norm, so i really doubt ANYONE on this thread posting is remotely what most would call conservative in outside the box concepts.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 6:36:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol if you are going to complain about the bloomers that are part of the cheerleading outfit, then complain about jeans because jeans show just as much as bloomers do.  This isn't about the t-shirt or even how it FITS or outlines, its the slogan that is at issue.  You can't start bringing fit and what it outlines when what is being focused on is the slogan.  To do so only is an attempt to detract from the issue at hand -- the words and slogan that is suggestive and can be construed as sexual in nature. 

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 7:11:17 PM   
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the words and slogan is suggestive and can be construed as sexual in nature. 

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WRONG!!!!!!! There is nothing whatsoever suggestive or sexual about the message. It is only in your sick little mind! My other half is a high school teacher, and I broached him last night about this topic. His response was that there was nothing sexual or inappropriate about the t-shirts - and trust me - he sees a lot of inappropriate. Get a grip. Get over it.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 7:15:28 PM   
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DO you KNOW teenage boys?   It's not MY mind i am speaking about. 

If you don't think these girls GOT these tshirts for the sexual connotations you are an idiot, they think its cute and funny BECAUSE of that.  Do you think teenage boys won't look at that slogan and think ohhh yeah.

Maybe you need to get your mind in REALITY of teenagers. 

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 7:22:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh and just because i am feeling bitchy -- So i have nothing to get over, the school made the correct decision in my view.  In your view -- no so much.  So perhaps you need to get a grip and get over it.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 7:45:15 PM   
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Oh GOOD FUCKING GRIEF. 

DO you KNOW teenage boys?   It's not MY mind i am speaking about. 

If you don't think these girls GOT these tshirts for the sexual connotations you are an idiot, they think its cute and funny BECAUSE of that.  Do you think teenage boys won't look at that slogan and think ohhh yeah.

Maybe you need to get your mind in REALITY of teenagers. 

LOL Miss Angel, sometimes I simply adore you

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 7:47:15 PM   
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It is only in your sick little mind!
QFT.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/17/2011 8:17:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I never said the school admin made the wrong decision - I have no problem with it. My problem is people like you trying to sexualize everything! And btw - I happen to have a teenage boy - and he has no problem with the shirts or the message - because he understands the MESSAGE

its just sad that you have to underestimate people because of your little hangups

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