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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 6:01:12 PM

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In the end, it will be interesting to see if a case is filed regarding this issue. I think the school has a good case because its a team that was representing the school, which gives the school a lot of veto power as to how they represent the school. I think if this was simply a group of students wearing the shirts to wear them in support of breast cancer support, they would have a harder concept to defend IF they even made the same decision.

Despite all the emotion, arguments, and bitchiness and snaps and such, i think a lot of good discussion and more to what i like lol debate has been had on this --- thanks everyone.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 6:06:03 PM

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Any signs that it WILL go to court?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 6:22:42 PM

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I would have respected you more if you just didn't feel the need to post that last comment WHILE throwing out a case trying to make YOUR argument the right one.

Here you are lecturing Chatte for "wanting to be right" while you are doing the exact same thing; throwing out an appeal of a case that hasn't even been decided yet to make YOUR argument right.

You bitch at me for insisting I am right while you merrily carry on insisting you are right. I have never seen you admit to error even when it was clearly obvious you were wrong, you even kept insisting you were right when you got up on your soap box to tell me I was wrong about the structure and dynamic in our home and proceeded to try "educate" me on how our dynamic really worked. And yet you never fail to complain that those who don't agree with you just "have to be right". I'm sorry, but I doubt there is anybody who cares if an unabashed pontificating hypocrite like you respects them or not.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 7:05:23 PM

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Umm no Heather, i haven't used the fact the case is on appeal as a support of anything. But i guess you can't see that because then what would you have to whine about? If i was going to make a legal argument based on the cases she is throwing out from her google search, i would jump on westlaw and actually cite cases countering her argument. Instead i simply told her that her case was on appeal so its not really a case that would wow the masses on her position. But there probably ARE cases that hold more weight.

I simply gave her information, that the case she is so proud of is on appeal. It's true. Can you deny it?

As for your dynamic, i mean fuck heather what do you care what an anonymous person's opinion of you and your relationship is. My fucking god girl, get over it, it's an opinion and if you want to know the truth, i can't even remember what the fuck i said about your relationship because it's not important to me. IF you want to say i am saying i am right, okay. If you want to say i am wrong, OK. But here's a clue, you are a fucking anonymous nickname on a message board so am i -- seriously, put it in perspective. Good grief, i have seen all kinds of shit said about you and yours and your relationship, are you THIS obsessed about it with everyone else? Hell that thread was what 4 months ago?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 7:37:24 PM

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This thread went to shit fast.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 7:39:50 PM

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The point is, that you are a hypocrite when you bitch at people for "wanting to be right", that was just the most extreme example I happen to recall of you doing just that, I'm sure I could find others if I cared to do a search. You do insist you are right, you are doing it right now. You claim to want a discussion, but you do your best to shut down and discredit opposing viewpoints, and then complain when others do it. That's called hypocrisy, and you are the poster child for it.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 7:54:35 PM

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I would also like to point out, to whom it may concern, that AneNoz is dead on about sexuality and American Culture. When it comes to sexuality we are a schizophrenic culture. In our politics, our broadcast media, and our “official” view of adolescent sexuality we are very prudish but a quick check beneath the surface reveals that we match any other culture on the planet for horniness and “depravity.” Hell, we outshine some of them.

As a culture I think we are dreadfully unfair to our adolescents. Our official message to them (when we are not busy pretending that they are neuters who don’t switch on until their eighteenth birthday), via the “church” and “mainstream” media is: “DON’T DO IT! DON’T DO IT! DON’T DO IT! ESPECIALLY IF YOU’RE A GIRL BECAUSE THEN YOU’RE A SLUT!” Yet at the same time we bombard them with entertainment and advertising that tells them how un-cool they are if they don’t do it. Is it any wonder teenagers tend to be a little koo-koo? Adolescence is hard enough with us screwing them up even more.

I question this. How is it different in other countries? I'm not disagreeing with you...I just don't know the answer either way.

It seems to me (and perhaps this is me being a product of the prudish society mentioned above) that it's just good sense to advise teenagers against having sex. In the same way that I would advise a teenager to not get married before knowing she is truly in love and mature enough to handle marriage, or not pin herself down to a career without exploring all options that might be open to her, or whatever...same goes for sex. The idea of teenagers having sex isn't awful and I think many people are realistic about it. But just because it's done, does that mean that we, as parents and a society, shouldn't ask that a teenager use discretion in choosing when and with whom to have sex?

And regardless of a teenager's individual choice, sex education takes place in our schools. Condoms and other birth control methods are available. STD prevention is taught. Lesbian and Gay Alliances are in place in high schools all across the country. Student Assistance Counselors are in place and equipped to handle all sorts of situation, sexual or otherwise. How are we as a society putting our heads in the sand about it and asking that teens not be sexual beings?

Do other countries offer up their teenagers in a sexual exaltation? What, exactly, makes other countries so much less "prudish" than us?

These are earnest questions - not bitching. I truly just don't know - what is done differently elsewhere that people think Americans are so prude about our teenagers?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/19/2011 8:15:26 PM

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The point is, that you are a hypocrite when you bitch at people for "wanting to be right", that was just the most extreme example I happen to recall of you doing just that, I'm sure I could find others if I cared to do a search. You do insist you are right, you are doing it right now. You claim to want a discussion, but you do your best to shut down and discredit opposing viewpoints, and then complain when others do it. That's called hypocrisy, and you are the poster child for it.

Actually...in this...Miss Angel IS RIGHT. She argued a good point against ChatteParfaitt. I am curious to see how that argument is countered.

It says a lot about a person if they can argue with cold hard facts...or if instead, they resort to childish finger pointing and screeching "nanananana"

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/20/2011 12:11:46 AM

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Oh I don't care about their case law argument, I was just pointing out that she is a major hypocrite is all.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/20/2011 3:41:36 AM

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But here's a clue, you are a fucking anonymous nickname on a message board so am i -- seriously, put it in perspective.

Well YOU clearly care about "anonymous nicknames on a message board" since you felt the need to "out" me on the Gorean Board. You know you use this argument when it's convenient and yet want people to take your posts seriously. so which is it?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/20/2011 4:35:47 AM

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Bursts out laughing -- OKAY MAJOR TANGENT HERE -- oh FFS, Zephyr/Fire or whatever you are calling yourself these days - maybe you and heather really ARE the same person, read the WHOLE post and not take one sentence out of the whole and out of context to run in and bitch.   But yeah its easier to take the one sentence out of context of the whole.

i could only OUT you if you were attempting to hide the fact you changed you nickname again.   Does it mean i take out of perspective that its an anonymous nickname on a message board's OPINION, no, but with regard to the discussions and debates in and of themselves, yes, knowing the person changed their nickname again, is helpful because it gives a history of views and perspectives of the ANONYMOUS nickname.   You do get what anonymous means -- it doesn't mean that you have 10000 different nickname which means you become a new person discussing on the board with each change, it simply means that the person behind the nickname is more than likely not known. Which means that in the general scope of life, the opinins spouted by that person because they are an anonymous nickname on a discussion board are simply opinions of a person (not persons cause again new nickname doesn't equate new person) you more than likely don't know and never will.

SO which is it -- well, its my WHOLE post, not just the sentence you removed to attempt to bitch about something.

So are we done with this tangent here, yes?
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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/20/2011 7:34:56 AM

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I question this. How is it different in other countries? I'm not disagreeing with you...I just don't know the answer either way.

It seems to me (and perhaps this is me being a product of the prudish society mentioned above) that it's just good sense to advise teenagers against having sex. In the same way that I would advise a teenager to not get married before knowing she is truly in love and mature enough to handle marriage, or not pin herself down to a career without exploring all options that might be open to her, or whatever...same goes for sex. The idea of teenagers having sex isn't awful and I think many people are realistic about it. But just because it's done, does that mean that we, as parents and a society, shouldn't ask that a teenager use discretion in choosing when and with whom to have sex?

I am not saying that advising teenagers is a bad idea. My point is that while you're busy advising them on the potential pitfalls of a sexual relationship, their entertainment is telling them that they are un-cool if they are not having sex. It is the contradiction that I consider unfair - particularly if the "advice" they get tells them that their sexual feelings are intrinsically bad (e.g. masturbation is sin). I don’t see anyway out of it short of society going to the extreme one way (Fuck everybody! Who cares?!) or the other (anything other than the missionary position between husband and wife for the purposes of procreation is sin) which is never a good idea. Finding the balance in between is the hard part so that teenagers can grow up without having to feel guilt ridden about their sexuality nor be reckless with it.

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And regardless of a teenager's individual choice, sex education takes place in our schools. Condoms and other birth control methods are available. STD prevention is taught. Lesbian and Gay Alliances are in place in high schools all across the country. Student Assistance Counselors are in place and equipped to handle all sorts of situation, sexual or otherwise. How are we as a society putting our heads in the sand about it and asking that teens not be sexual beings?

Because everyone of those things that you mentioned, which I am in support of, is not universal and is often fought against intensely. Again, it is the contradiction of the two extremes that I am pointing out. I am not denying the existence of either one.

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Do other countries offer up their teenagers in a sexual exaltation? What, exactly, makes other countries so much less "prudish" than us?

I’m thinking more in terms of culture (including those past) than countries. What I said about American culture can, I think be applied to Western culture in general although America is a little more stringent due to the large number of evangelicals and the greater proportion of religious (primarily Christian) of the population (thank you Europe so much for kicking all of your religious nutcases over to here

).

I am thinking in terms of sexual honesty rather than sexual exaltation. In ages past people would often get married shortly after puberty. The onset of sexual characteristics (and the accompanying sexual feelings) marked the onset of sexual activitiy. Today we have entended the "officially" approved period between sexual maturity and sexual activity and not without some good reasons (health being one) but while we are telling them to wait (much to the displeasure of their hormones) there is still that media message telling them otherwise.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/30/2011 2:08:21 AM

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(thank you Europe so much for kicking all of your religious nutcases over to here ).

well there are a few left still ... but all in all it makes Europe look like a preferable place for living now for some ...

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/30/2011 2:15:42 AM

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(thank you Europe so much for kicking all of your religious nutcases over to here )

I am glad we don't have so much freedom as over there...grin

*sorry had to respond when I saw Europe on the frontpage of CM*

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/31/2011 11:35:48 PM

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Can the football team wear shirts that say "Prevent the cuts, feel your nuts"?

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 11/1/2011 7:09:35 AM

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Can the football team wear shirts that say "Prevent the cuts, feel your nuts"?

no, everybody knows that fondling testicles is the fucking coach's job.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 11/1/2011 7:12:07 AM

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BWAHAHAHAHAH!! Dammit, Hannah!!

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 11/2/2011 6:37:01 AM

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no, everybody knows that fondling testicles is the fucking coach's job.

And fondling tits is the quarterback's job. Maybe the school's should give him course credit for helping fight breast cancer in the cheerleaders.

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