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But sadly you are in the minority

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. But if a overweight person goes to the doctor for CANCER the doctors will document that they are overweight and so when the claim form goes in for payment the insurance person goes "OVErWEIGHT".

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ORIGINAL: orchid77
Next time you would like to see who is using up the healthcare system go into the emergency room and check out who is there.

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ORIGINAL: orchid77
my point...any health concern an overweight person brings to the doctor...the doctor automatically puts overweight making it look like that overweight people are the reason for the healthcare problems.

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
try searching for genuine dom women, then search again for genuine sub women and you will find part of the answer

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ORIGINAL: agirl
He was clumsy on the rape thing,.....he wasn't rabid, rude or evil.

I've got to say, I agree. I'm possibly better versed on what is and is not 'PC' on this subject than most. And I'm pretty damned articulate, though I say it myself. But not even I would start a thread on this question.

This thread has absolutely not been just about the OPs insensitivities, it's also been about the over-sensitivities surrounding the issue of being overweight. To take an example: it doesn't just involve the issue of purveyors of women's magazines that continually depict bony-thin models. It involves those women who *buy* those magazines and keep the parasites behind them in business.

Really, have you any idea how different it is in the man's world, that I inhabit? I'll be blunt: I have the figure I have a) mainly because I thought it'd be attractive to females and b) because I worked at it.

But there was never anything like the pressure on me to have my figure the way it is that women have to have the twig-figure. My body has never, ever, been assessed, judged, compared, and found lacking, in the same way as the average female's has. The difference is: I get my abs and I feel brilliant; I don't, I'm just ordinary. Men have 'utility bodies' - they're still, not even now, really made for much other than to keep their owners alive. They're still not either beautiful, nor ugly, they're just functional items. Men are lucky like that. We don't have to care. Consequently, we do the looking, and it still doesn't cross our minds, most of the time, that we may be the ones who are being looked at. And judged . . . .

Me, I have fun when I go to the gym. It takes no discipline and I think of it as a leisure activity. I think, "Whoa, my day off! I'll sit in a cafe with a newspaper for an hour, then to the gym for an hour, then to another cafe for an hour". That's a relaxing day for me. And afterwards, I'll feel great. The endorphins are buzzing around my body. I'll forget to eat, I feel that good. You women, though, it's like "Oh Christ, I must shift these pounds. Grit my teeth, feel pain, I hate it, but it must be done" . . . It's hideous. I'd never have picked up my exercise habit if I'd been made to feel that shitty to start with. Exercise has no weight, no demand and no discipline for me. I just like it. It makes me feel good. That's how easy it is, when no-one ever made you feel like crap in the first place for not doing it.

I do realise that being a feminist, these days, is un-hip. Every now and then an overly-made-up, frighteningly straight-looking woman will appear on these forums, wafting her perfume around and snorting in derision at feminism. Nonetheless, fat really is a feminist issue. The women's magazines are there to make you feel like shit as you read through them, which is why the adverts for plastic surgery are always at the back, ready to 'solve the problem' just as you've reached rock-bottom looking at the haughty skeletons depicted beforehand.

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ORIGINAL: orchid77

Nocturnal...that's not my point of concern...my point...any health concern an overweight person brings to the doctor...the doctor automatically puts overweight making it look like that overweight people are the reason for the healthcare problems...I used cancer as an example. I am aware that cancer is 20-30% of overweight individuals, this tells me that the other percentages of cancer isn't overweight people...but I wonder what that is? I could not find one stitch of information or stats on the other reasons.

Emily you are also correct a European study found it was only 4%

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ORIGINAL: EmilyRocks

I agree it was a pretty good post, but you really didn't have to quote yourself, it wasn't that good.

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ORIGINAL: OICU8Master
I believe the underlying reason has been brought up, that they are willing to submit to humiliation or subservience because of low self esteem and I wonder if that reason means that BDSM might not be a healthy outlet for many overweight women.  But since no discussion is allowed on this "taboo" subject, we may never get to truly examine what is going on both emotionally and psychologically.

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ORIGINAL: OICU8Master

If an inordinate percentage of malformed or disabled people were drawn to the BDSM lifestyle, it would be a legitimate question as to why.

There is no hate here, no prejudice.  This is not a hate topic.  It is simply an observation and someone has asked why it is so.  I believe the underlying reason has been brought up, that they are willing to submit to humiliation or subservience because of low self esteem and I wonder if that reason means that BDSM might not be a healthy outlet for many overweight women.  But since no discussion is allowed on this "taboo" subject, we may never get to truly examine what is going on both emotionally and psychologically.

And to the person that said many men who wish to have pussy served on a platter are drawn to the BDSM community, I say Yep.  That's also true.  Start a thread on it and let's discuss why so many men who want pussy served up on a platter are drawn to the BDSM community.  However, I might point out that since ALL MEN want pussy served up on a platter, it hardly constitutes an anomaly.

The large number of overweight women drawn to BDSM, however, in my opinion, does constitute an anomaly and it is one worth discussing because if we can lower our defenses and speak openly, weeding out the misogynists of course, but weeding out the defensive ones too, we might actually learn something insightful.

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Overweight does not mean insecure. Overweight does not mean defensive because they have an opinion. You can overanalyze it to death all you want. But pulling something insightful out it? Good luck with that.

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

i see absolutely no man has even bothered to speculate at the motivations of overweight MEN. -- oh yeah, that's right, because in the immortal words of Peter Griffin, "Lois, men aren't fat, only fat women are fat."

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I believe the underlying reason has been brought up, that they are willing to submit to humiliation or subservience because of low self esteem and I wonder if that reason means that BDSM might not be a healthy outlet for many overweight women. 

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ORIGINAL: OICU8Master
I believe the underlying reason has been brought up, that they are willing to submit to humiliation or subservience because of low self esteem and I wonder if that reason means that BDSM might not be a healthy outlet for many overweight women.  But since no discussion is allowed on this "taboo" subject, we may never get to truly examine what is going on both emotionally and psychologically.

discussion is not accepted because it's never as objective as you want to think it is. even here, what you "believe" to be the real reason is based in bias and stereotypical assumptions about what "must be wrong" with overweight people -- but that's only because you believe those things must be wrong.
you're assuming that thin women don't have self esteem issues -- otherwise, wouldn't this low self esteem rule then apply to anyone?
you're assuming that overweight women do -- i know quite a few who are pretty proud of themselves and flaunt every single extra inch of what they've got. so are they into BDSM because of their low self-esteem?
what about the thin women who are HUGELY into humiliation, and the fat women who abhor it and only want submission on their very specific terms? what about overweight Dommes and switches?

you don't even understand that you are not objective because you are so absolutely convinced of the correctness of your bias. how do you have a conversation, if you don't believe you could possibly be incorrect?

and finally, i see absolutely no man has even bothered to speculate at the motivations of overweight MEN. -- oh yeah, that's right, because in the immortal words of Peter Griffin, "Lois, men aren't fat, only fat women are fat."

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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker
... Because an overweight woman has more difficulty finding a relationship period.  What the OP was eluding to was if it was possible that it was less about BDSM for them and more about finding someone to be with at the cost of them feigning interest in this 'lifestyle.'

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ORIGINAL: twisteddom
No offense to anyone or those who like those type of women just notice from profile to profile that there seems to be a large percentage of bbws...

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ORIGINAL: twistedom
...Just kinda wonder if there's something psychological there. A lot of women here have those force/rape fantasies. In everyday life in general a woman around 200 pounds isn't going to draw much attention from anyone who would actually force someone. is that a part of it? Is it more of a fantasy to submit because it is unlikely it would ever happen in real life...