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JstAnotherSub -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:06:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

this is just bizarre... all for football? seriously? 


All for the $50-100 million a year the program brings in.

"Glittering prizes and endless compromises challenge the illusion of integrity."


Kana, you are so right.  And it is so sickening.



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:09:58 PM)

I'm a required reporter.  They don't play about that stuff here.

I am going to be disappointed if no one gets in serious trouble over this.

Sickening.



littlewonder -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:15:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Sandusky is 65 now... hardly two "boys"


I know that.
You know that.
People like Joe Paterno and those around his age back in that area don't know that. They see everyone as "boys" if they are younger than them.



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:17:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thats no excuse... no fucking excuse at all. How dare you try and defend what happened in any way shape or form.

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The ONLY victims here are those kids.

The rest? Enablers.... no other term fits. They enabled this man to continue his assaults against those boys.

You are a trip!


i have to say i agree with tazzy -- when someone with that kind of reputation, power, and respect just sits around and does nothing, that's pretty horrible. it would've taken no effort at all for him to do what needed to be done, and yet he didn't.
none of these people did.

the lowliness of it is just so mindboggling.
Gah...



tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:18:39 PM)

Saw a link saying that it may cost the school 100 million before its all over with... just to the victims... not including legal fees.

At this time, they are indicating 20 victims.... could be more to come.



LaTigresse -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:19:07 PM)

I was sickened to read an article about PA's leniency and the 'worst' legal punishment these people could get.

http://news.yahoo.com/psu-scandal-stirs-debate-over-abuse-reporting-laws-210836127.html

My only consolation is that these guys have only the bleakest of futures. Terrible as it is for me to say, I hope everyone guilty, everyone that was aware of what was going on and did nothing to stop it, feel so badly they off themself due to overpowering guilt. The meanest part of me would dearly love to get medieval on their asses.



vincentML -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:21:40 PM)

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This is one of those situations where they needed a scapegoat and Paterno was it.

There were two seperate "events." One occurred in 1998. The one witnessed by the janitor I think. Sandusky was still an assistant coach at the time under Paterno. Sandusky "retired" at age 55 in 1999 but was allowed to have an office and use the showers and training room. All while Paterno was in charge. The more egregious event took place in 2002. This is the one McQueary witnessed and did not intervene. He and his dad went to Paterno the next day. IMHO Paterno has a lot to answer for here, being the giant BMOC. He admitted in his statement he wishes he had done more. For some reason a Grand Jury wasn't impaneled until 2010. Eight years late, heh? I also understand from late news that McQueary will not be on the sidelines but out of view (and reach) of the crowd up in the coaches' box. Do you think Paterno was more than arrogant in making the announcement that he would retire at the end of the year or was he just trying to preempt the Board of Trustees?



LaTigresse -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:26:29 PM)

I think that even the most, seemingly kind old man, in that position, has a massive ego. I think that people like that, years of adulation and power, changes a person. Almost all will grow an over inflated sense of their own lack of limitations and warped sense of their own fallibility. I do not believe that Joe Paterno is any more saintly than anyone else in a similar position.

So yeah, I see only arrogance in his attempt to retire.



tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:27:28 PM)

Seems he may actually be fired tomorrow.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/acting-psu-president-board-likely-to-take-action-on-mcqueary-by-end-of-the-week-1.1231035#axzz1dMbmxRSi

I just cannot imagine him stepping on that field in front of the fans, knowing he is just as much to blame for what happened, if not more so... fans will tear that place apart.

JoePa fired.. and McQueary still around?



vincentML -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:40:16 PM)

I heard some tried to pressure Paterno to leave in 2004 and he refused. Too big to be pushed out.
And btw, someone mentioned in this thread that he should get a pass b/c he is so old now. But he was 13 years younger back in '98 when the first incident occurred.
Also interesting that Sandusky started his charity program to help kids back in 1977. Makes you wonder how many kids he "helped." [8|]



LaTigresse -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 7:49:26 PM)

I volunteer Ving to deal with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA1CBHebCeo



LizDeluxe -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 9:08:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Do you think Paterno was more than arrogant in making the announcement that he would retire at the end of the year or was he just trying to preempt the Board of Trustees?


I don't think Paterno understands the scope of what was and is happening regarding this case. While he wishes he had a do over now he probably still thinks that he was not in the wrong even if he would have done it differently in hindsight.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 9:10:39 PM)

The whole hysteria around sports is very hard for me to relate to, I actively hate team sports like football, etc. I can't even stand to be in the same room when a game is on TV. A large part of why my marriage failed was because he was a sports fiend and it drove me crazy. I would't go to a football or baseball game at gun point. Did I mention I hate sports?
So, I especially can't relate to this passionate defense of a college coach whose department was so criminal that children were being molested. The college had to fire him, they are going to get their asses sued. They have to look like they are doing something. A jury is not going to be sympathetic if they don't fire the guy.
But, what do i know, I hate sports.



LizDeluxe -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 9:14:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Seems he may actually be fired tomorrow.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/acting-psu-president-board-likely-to-take-action-on-mcqueary-by-end-of-the-week-1.1231035#axzz1dMbmxRSi

I just cannot imagine him stepping on that field in front of the fans, knowing he is just as much to blame for what happened, if not more so... fans will tear that place apart.

JoePa fired.. and McQueary still around?


I think the board is seeing that they should have acted as promptly dealing with McQueary and they did with Paterno. McQueary is going to be gone. The university will sack him or he'll just resign. There is no way he can stay in that program and be productive. He's probably done as a coach but I thought the same thing about Michael Vick as a quarterback. McQueary may carry on in coaching but it won't be at State College.







LizDeluxe -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 9:18:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
The whole hysteria around sports is very hard for me to relate to, I actively hate team sports like football, etc. I can't even stand to be in the same room when a game is on TV. A large part of why my marriage failed was because he was a sports fiend and it drove me crazy. I would't go to a football or baseball game at gun point. Did I mention I hate sports?


It's been my experience that men don't wake up one day and become sports junkies. Perhaps you missed a few red flags.





Iamsemisweet -> RE: Penn State (11/10/2011 10:44:40 PM)

He was always like that. I just couldn't stand it anymore. He became completely obsessed with soccer
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
ts?


It's been my experience that men don't wake up one day and become sports junkies. Perhaps you missed a few red flags.






mons -> RE: Penn State (11/11/2011 3:10:02 AM)

 
Now he is their worse nightmare, I wonder if the monster
attack some of the player when they were children?

mons



mons -> RE: Penn State (11/11/2011 3:30:17 AM)

You make things the way you wish this is a fourm for all
to speak what they think and give an opinion! 

You can stand by this man whom let maybe 100's
of children be abuse so badly when the grand jury read
the indictments so many were sick and ill just from
hearing the 25 page report!  Now mind you they also
sold the children to rich trustees! 

it is your opinion but wow!

mons



mons -> RE: Penn State (11/11/2011 3:38:38 AM)

tazzy

this was meant for a man whom said he stood by and he call he daddy joe
sorry for the mistake

i am handy at making the post get to the right person

mons



Hillwilliam -> RE: Penn State (11/11/2011 5:06:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

He was always like that. I just couldn't stand it anymore. He became completely obsessed with soccer

No wonder you sacked him.



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