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tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 9:40:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Tazzy stop trying to tie my comments into me not having compassion for the victims...it is beneath you. When faced with answers to your questions you can’t rebut you take off on tangents.

We...or I… am strictly talking about the NCAA’s reaction to Penn States football program. I doubt you will ever see McQueary on the field again with Penn State.

As for as the football program is concerned these crimes will be put behind them and they will be remembered as a crime not as a fault of the football program.

Butch




Why are you reading into my posts. Im extremely blunt. No where do I see me saying you dont have any compassion.

McQueary will not see another football field... unless its little league.. and even that will be a grave mistake in the eyes of parents.

As far as the football program, in that you are mistaken. But you are entitled to your opinions.




Restraint4TGs -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 10:08:30 AM)

The program had been running since 1977. Offenders of this type rarely stop offending until uncovered so it's likely he left a trail of victims behind him stretching back to the Carter administration. Uncovering what went on for how many years is going to be a sordid, very drawn out affair and the university would be well advised to fire ANYONE who knew exactly what was happening just to clean the slate as quickly as possible. I am bit perplexed at the concept of contacting your workplace superior to report a felony sexual assault rather than the police but like little wonder said, certain areas develop a morality code that might be quite different from what should be there. 




kdsub -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:00:06 PM)

Well then Tazzy...I will read nothing into your posts...but perhaps you could tell me what the hell this comment means.

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"school had nothing to do with this is obviously a coping mechanism for you. I’m glad its working.. too bad it didn’t work for the victims"


I didn't deserve that screw you.

Every one is covering their asses... here is my opinion...you can take it to the bank and throw it in my face if there is a NCAA action...I can take it and hold up to my mistakes.

The NCAA will do nothing to the football program.

The football team will continue unimpeded just as they did today.

Two years from now the scandal and Joe Parerno will be a brief side note before the season starts and you will hear no more of it the rest of the season unless they go to a bowl game. It is the way of life.

Butch




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:07:45 PM)

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"school had nothing to do with this is obviously a coping mechanism for you. I’m glad its working.. too bad it didn’t work for the victims"


The belief that the school had nothing to do with it. It didn't stop with just the coaching staff... janitors knew it as well and never reported. What parent would ever feel safe sending their children there? Do you seriously believe it wasn't whispered about? Too many knew... and no one did a thing... which is what parents will remember.





slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:10:56 PM)

Tazz,Idont think the program faces any sanctions....the NCAA will sit back and watch the criminal proceedings.While they do so a broom will be taken to the Penn St program and administrators
After all of that there will be no one left at the school,in a position of authority,still tainted by this scandal.....hence no need to sanction the program .
That's just the way I see it happening.




kdsub -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:11:44 PM)

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The belief that the school had nothing to do with it. It didn't stop with just the coaching staff... janitors knew it as well and never reported. What parent would ever feel safe sending their children there? Do you seriously believe it wasn't whispered about? Too many knew... and no one did a thing... which is what parents will remember.


Agreed ...now what the hell does that have to do with Football and the NCAA? What you mentioned above are individuals who may be prosecuted. The only liability I can see for the school would be in lawsuits and even that is weak.

Butch




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:12:58 PM)

Lawsuits for the school is weak? You may want to rethink that statement.

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In addition to severe reputational damage, Pennsylvania State University faces the prospect of huge financial exposure from lawsuits by sexual-abuse victims who can credibly charge the university had ample warning that its former assistant football coach preyed on children but did little or nothing to stop it, say trial lawyers who have been following the case.

Particularly troubling for the university, at least from a legal liability standpoint, is that the broad parameters of a civil case already are being vividly laid out by state Attorney General Linda Kelly.

She has charged athletic director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, university vice president for finance and business, with failure to report the abuses and lying to a grand jury.

They were charged in connection with the attorney general's investigation of longtime assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, who was arraigned on 40 counts related to sexual abuse that occurred over 15 years.

The grand jury presentment recounts in considerable detail what authorities say were multiple reports of sexual misconduct or, at the very least, questionable behavior provided to Curley and Schultz. And on at least one occasion, alarming information was made known to legendary football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier.

Yet, Kelly charged, the university failed to take steps to stop Sandusky.

"I think they are liable. They may not be liable if this activity occurred outside the confines of the university premises, but from what I understand, he [Sandusky] was given wide access to a lot of facilities," said Sol Weiss, a partner in the prominent Center City plaintiffs firm Anapol Schwartz.

"It is a big exposure," Weiss said.


http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-10/news/30382552_1_sexual-abuse-grand-jury-football-coach

They knew, they did nothing, they are liable.




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:15:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Tazz,Idont think the program faces any sanctions....the NCAA will sit back and watch the criminal proceedings.While they do so a broom will be taken to the Penn St program and administrators
After all of that there will be no one left at the school,in a position of authority,still tainted by this scandal.....hence no need to sanction the program .
That's just the way I see it happening.


I said the NCAA is looking into it. The article gave the way it could be done, if the NCAA decides to go that route. Im not saying they definitely will. But to sit back and insist that they definitely wont, despite the Presidents statement, is just doing exactly what people are complaining about... placing football as "god" above all else.




kdsub -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:29:20 PM)

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But to sit back and insist that they definitely wont, despite the Presidents statement, is just doing exactly what people are complaining about... placing football as "god" above all else.


No tazzy... they...meaning me ...is just expressing my opinion...as I stated...everyone does not have to agree with you...remember that.

Butch




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:30:41 PM)

Do you believe you are the only one with that opinion?




slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:37:57 PM)

Agreed tazzy,they may well decide that it is in the best interests of division 1 college football to be SEEN to do something...because you are quite right absent big time football and it's pervasive influmce this would never have went on for as long as it did.




slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:41:07 PM)

On the other front you are also correct Penn State university will be the target of more than a few lawsuits as a result of this....but I don't think they will be the lone plaintiffs sitting at that table....he'll I would be looking to sue the prosecutors office that didn't manage to get an indictment back in 98/99... Though I am jot sure that a prosecutors office can be sued for such a dereliction of duty ?




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:41:25 PM)

I dont expect anything beyond a slap on the wrist... and in all fairness, the students/players had (so far as we know) no knowledge of these incidents or any part in the abuse. But I do believe they will do something to send a message to the rest of the NCAA program.




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:44:54 PM)

that was the first incident.. at the school... if im not mistaken. There was a previous incident mentioned but Im not sure that one was ever reported... and it was not at the school. The suits will be about the one's after the first... the first will only be able to sue the attacker if I am understanding the reports right.




slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 2:52:57 PM)

Yes the grand jury that didn't return an indictment was convened after the first shower incident...at which time,if I remember the timeline right Sandusky was asked not to bring children back to the facilities.Than there was another incident wherein a janitor witnessed some more bullshit...again if I have this right,they then took away his keys
What the fuck sort of response is that ? I am quite sure that as we type these posts folks are already speaking to lawyers....as they should.




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 3:27:01 PM)

Amazingly, the PA law provides for 12 years from the age of 18 for victims of child sexual abuse to bring civil suits. Criminal is viable until the child turns 50.




slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 3:34:39 PM)

When one considers just how long it can sometimes take for a victim to be able to face the fact that he/she has indeed been victimized that is a wonderful law.
Some childhood scars just don't heal.....they simply scab over and you wind up picking at them every few years....in some case simply revealling more and more of the hurt.




servantforuse -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 4:43:10 PM)

slvemike, a little late on my reply, ( a busy weekend ). Your annolgy of the Catholic church was spot on. A lot of folks new what happened and they all buried their heads. I'd like to believe that these crimes against innocent children will end but I'm not holding my breadth.




slvemike4u -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 5:22:11 PM)

Servant if holding my breath would help,I would gladly do so...but alas there will always be monsters that walk amongst us.Life would be a lot simpler if the predators were easy to identify,unfortunately the successful predator is usually quite accomplished at charming others...it is how he succeeds




tazzygirl -> RE: Penn State (11/12/2011 6:04:19 PM)

They should make the law that states if you witness it, or are informed of it, and do nothing, you are just as guilty as the abuser.




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