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Allow me mine w/o resorting to name calling (ridiculous prudery).

This from the one who equated breastfeeding to public defecation.

Seems she thinks we should take her opinion even vaguely seriously after that gem. Yeah, we'll get right on that   NOT!

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

Plenty of breast feeding women use bottles when out in public.

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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Allow me mine w/o resorting to name calling (ridiculous prudery).

This from the one who equated breastfeeding to public defecation.

Seems she thinks we should take her opinion even vaguely seriously after that gem. Yeah, we'll get right on that   NOT!

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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

I have no problem with anyone breastfeeding their children in public. It is a normal, natural thing.

So is taking a dump but I wouldn't want to see that being done in public.  If you're breastfeeding use a pump, fill a bottle & take it w/you.  The baby's still getting its nutrients just thru a different nipple.

Why on earth should anyone that is happily and successfully feeding their child, in the biologically correct manner, have to faff about with bottles and pumps to satisfy other people's ridiculous prudery?

Tip: The head is sat atop a marvelous thing called a neck.....which has the ability to turn the head and change the view. 

agirl

Opinions are like assholes..............everyone has one.  Allow me mine w/o resorting to name calling (ridiculous prudery).

The head sitting atop of the neck thing you posted.......very true and one I use plenty of times.  However, my "faff about bottles" was merely a suggestion to combat the "ridiculous prudery".  Why is it "faff"?  Plenty of breast feeding women use bottles when out in public.

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Goodness me, it's not as if it's some theatrical act with accompanying fanfare.

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That's great so long as you understand and agree that you don't speak for everyone. I worked in a restaurant as a waiter once and watched as a coworker (whose pay was dependend upon his ability to do his job adequately) stumbled and averted his gaze in every direction but the person at the table because she was sitting there breast feeding. In this society, there are two sets of people singing their chorus. The first group believes, apparently, that a person should be able to do whatever they like, wherever they like with no consequences. The other group believes in similar freedom, but for everyone. In other words, something *you* do should not affect, nor hinder something *I* want to do.

Suppose (since you like hypotheticals) that the people with the breast-feeding woman in the restaurant got offended that my coworker had such trouble doing his job upon witnessing the act. If they complained to the manager, this kid could lose his job all because he's never faced such a situation before and didn't know how to react. Is that fair? No. It's not.

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Firstly, it'd be a shame that a young man was so cloistered that he couldn't cope with someone quietly breastfeeding. I'd consider that a failing on whoever raised him. What on earth would he do if someone threw up? What if, what if, what if?

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There was a time in our society when a mother did what was best for her child.

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Mmmmhmmm, like breastfeeding her child.

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She didn't tote the thing around like a miniature-poodle-in-a-bag-style fashion statement. Is it healthy for the kid to be toted around non-stop all day? Or would a stable day in the relative safety of the home/crib be better? The problem today is that mothers don't alter their schedule to accommodate their child. They expect the child to conform to their plans and schedules. Kids, especially the very young breast-feeding ones, do not belong in some places -- movie theaters, crowded restaurants, courtrooms, etc. Why should I pay the same $9+ as you to see a movie only to listen to your screaming kid for 2 hours? When I have to abide by the rules of decorum in a courtroom so as not to bother other defendants, should a mother gets a pass because she couldn't manage to find someone to watch her kid for a couple of hours? Should I really have to listen to a kid throwing a tantrum while all I wanted was a nice quiet dinner in a nice restaurant?

The answer to all those rhetorical questions is "no." Your freedom to do as you please stops the moment you infringe on my freedoms not to be bothered by your screaming child.

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There will always be inconsiderate people. Breast feeding isn't inconveniencing anyone at all. It's a quiet, discreet mundane affair.

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If it offends you
don't look.

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This same sentiment could be said to a mother who freaks out upon seeing a guy wearing a "Fuck you" t-shirt while out with her kids. If she's offended, she shouldn't look. Yet I've heard more than one instance of a mother making a stink over a shirt she found offensive to her kids.

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Yes, I think the same sentiment applies.

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And back to the court thing
being a nursing mother doesn't make you
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True. But not having a child and not wanting to be bothered by them doesn't make me a second-class citizen either. My rights are no less important and I don't want to be bothered by a screaming kid in places where I have to be or where I paid money to be.

That's all a matter of reasonable consideration. People with AND without children do inhabit the same venues at times, some are considerate of others, some aren't. That's a fact of life.

Now, what has that to do with breastfeeding?

agirl

ETA........and that's why I don't fiddle with the quote thiong.......LOL SORRY!


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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

Opinions are like assholes..............everyone has one.  Allow me mine w/o resorting to name calling (ridiculous prudery).

The head sitting atop of the neck thing you posted.......very true and one I use plenty of times.  However, my "faff about bottles" was merely a suggestion to combat the "ridiculous prudery".  Why is it "faff"?  Plenty of breast feeding women use bottles when out in public.

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yikes, agirl!! LOL

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I have no problem with anyone breastfeeding their children in public. It is a normal, natural thing.

So is taking a dump but I wouldn't want to see that being done in public.  If you're breastfeeding use a pump, fill a bottle & take it w/you.  The baby's still getting its nutrients just thru a different nipple.

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I have no problem with anyone breastfeeding their children in public. It is a normal, natural thing.

So is taking a dump but I wouldn't want to see that being done in public.  If you're breastfeeding use a pump, fill a bottle & take it w/you.  The baby's still getting its nutrients just thru a different nipple.

This isn't always possible.
- Using nipples and bottles can turn a baby off breastfeeding and make them reject breasts.
- Some women are incapable of pumping breast milk, but have no problem breast feeding.
- Mothers, especially newly nursing mothers, need to nurse at a frequent schedule to get milk flow going and keep it going. Especially if a mother has trouble achiever good lactation, she may have to nurse every two hours or more.
So even if she pumps milk and bottle feeds the baby, she would still have to pump AT the court room. Would it be less disturbing for her to get out a breast pump and all it's noise than it would be for her to simple nurse the baby?
- Breast pumps cost a lot of a money. I got a cheap set, and spend several hundreds of dollars on it. Some people simple cannot afford them.
- There may be several medical reasons, like blocked milk ducts, that prohibit the mother from pumping for a number of days, as advised by her doctor.
- Some women do not have the extra milk production necessary to pump off extra milk after the baby has been fed. This means that they're not able to collect enough milk before hand to last the baby through one or several feedings. Those mothers have no choice but to breastfeed on demand because they simple don't have the extra to do it differently.
- Pumping can be extremely painful for the mother, especially in the beginning when her nipples are still adapting to their new role. When a mother has sensitive nipples, putting the pressure of a pump on them can cause their skin to crack open in open wounds, which not only will contaminate the milk with blood, but may also take weeks to heal because she will still need to feed her child in the mean time.

Have you ever actually breastfed, that you thinking that pumping is as easy as turning on a tap? Because to suggest that filling a bottle with breast milk is as easy as you imply it is here is absolute ridiculous.

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If she was a witness, she may have been subpoenaed into court.  That can happen at fairly short notice.  She wasn't availing herself of the court, if she was only a witness, why should she pay for a baby sitter?